Comment Re: No Deal. (Score 1) 94
Wow, you're fucking clueless about gender identity. Luckily for society you're already old enough, so you won't be posting stupid stuff on the Internet for much longer.
Wow, you're fucking clueless about gender identity. Luckily for society you're already old enough, so you won't be posting stupid stuff on the Internet for much longer.
That's not what the article is about. You're looking at it from the user's point of view: to you, using service X from your home is easy because it's SaaS and you don't need a VPN. Cool.
However, the article refers to the enterprise side: if that service X that you're using runs on a cloud provider (AWS, GCP, Azure...) then they're probably see higher costs in areas such as mass storage or computing power and it would be cheaper to run their own infrastructure on a datacenter.
From your point of view as a user it doesn't matter whether the service runs on a cloud provider or a datacenter somewhere.
Um what? Lenovo has laptops with soldered RAM. Dell has laptops with soldered RAM. HP has laptops with soldered RAM. By "only" you mean almost every one.
You're correct. And there's still another topic that we haven't discussed yet: performance.
These top of the line PCs use DDR5 RAM, with a theoretical bandwidth of up to 64GB/s (around 40GB/s in practice). The M3 Pro has a memory bandwidth of 150GB/s and the M3 Max 300GB/s, so they're able to move large amounts of data from memory many times faster than any modern PC.
Wait until you find out how much that Ferrari costs that you need to get you to the job site! It's worth it to have such a capable tool!
What a stupid argument.
If you're buying a machine specced like this then you aren't buying a Ferrari to get to your work site. The correct analogy would be buying a Liebherr mining truck to haul tons of rocks at the quarry or a Caterpillar industrial crane to use at the construction site. And yes, for these tasks you need these vehicles.
The same applies to these Macs. People don't buy these because they have disposable income to burn. They buy them because they need them for whichever work they do (3D rendering, video editing, machine learning, processing huge datasets...), and to these people they're worth that price.
These comparisons seem a bit bonkers to me because the bulk of the cost is in maxing out components you can purchase and install yourself for many thousands of dollars less.
Do you build your own cars? I personally don't. I don't even know how to change the engine oil. I'm sure it would be possible for me to buy the cheapest model at the dealer and then buy upgrade parts somewhere and install them myself. However, I don't have those skills. I prefer to go to the car dealership, tell them everything I want in my car, and drive out of there with everything installed.
Computers are the same for the vast majority of people: they want to go to the store and get the computer they need, and not have to bother with buying and installing hardware parts themselves.
This is especially true in corporate environments: if I'm buying 200 laptops per year, the last thing I want is to have to manually upgrade them in order to save a few dollars on every unit, potentially voiding the warranties and ending up with boxes full of the original memory modules that came with the machines. I just buy the already configured machine because it's worth to the business.
You know how to build your own computers and save some money. Cool. But then you're not the typical buyer and these machines aren't targeted to your needs, just like the proportion of people who build their own cars is negligible.
The Apple models don't include a discrete GPU either. You get Apple's integrated GPU, which is weaker than AMD's for gaming.
You're confused about "Apple's integrated GPU". It's nothing like the integrated graphics you see on PCs. The GPU cores in the M3 chip are evidently weaker for gaming than AMD/nVidia's top of the line cards, because that's not what they're for. If you're buying a Mac for gaming then you're buying the wrong machine. People buying these machines often use the GPU cores for parallel processing (video editing, ML workloads...). You don't buy a fully-loaded MacBook Pro for playing games.
The other thing to remember is that when you buy 128GB of RAM and 8TB of SSD from Lenovo, you are paying for convenience. It's much cheaper to get the minimum spec and upgrade it yourself. With Apple, you have no choice. It's all soldered in and locked down. Plus that's list price for the Lenovo. Only corporate buyers pay list, everyone else waits for them to take 50% off in one of their regular sales. Apple doesn't do sales.
When you say "everyone else" you're probably referring to yourself and your friends. But in the corporate world, if I'm going to order 50 MacBook Pros for our company's creative team or 30 for our team of ML engineers, you can be sure that I'm going to order the BTO machines already configured to the specs we need, instead of trying to save a few bucks on hardware and then having to deal with voided warranties and build an in-house assembly line to build and deploy these machines.
With ABM I can just order a laptop from Apple for an engineer, it ships directly to the employee's residence, and the machine configures itself on first boot with our corporate software without me having to even see or touch the machine.
I dare you to price it out and get back to me. YOU are the one throwing down the challenge, so back it up. I dare you.
You don't seem to understand logical fallacies, because you respond to a comment about screen sizes with some ridiculous strawman argument about prices. Then you double down on your stupidity by quoting the price for the most expensive configuration, instead of the standard model most people will buy. It's up to you to either admit your mistake or provide evidence supporting your claim.
But sure, since you're both ignorant and lazy, and I have actually done the homework, here are some similar PC configurations and how they compare in price with the maxed-out MacBook Pro 16":
(List of PC models taken from https://www.techradar.com/best...)
Lenovo ThinkPad P16: $8124
- Core i9-12950HX vPro
- 128 GB DDR5-4800Mhz (4x32 GB non-ECC)
- 2 x 4 TB M.2 SSD
- 16" WQUXGA display, 600 nits
Note that this doesn't include a graphics card. Add $900 (nVIDIA RTX A3000) or $1550 (nVIDIA RTX A4500) if you want to be able to play games or do 3D work.
HP Zbook Fury 16: $10905
- Core i9-13950HX vPro
- 16" WUXGA display, 1000 nits (1920x1200)
- 2 TB + 4 TB + 2 TB SSD
- 128 GB DDR5-4800Mhz (4x32 GB, ECC)
This one doesn't include a graphics card either.
Dell Precision 7770 Workstation: $12557
- Core i9-12950HX vPro
- 17" WLED UHD display, 500 nits (3840x2160)
- nVIDIA RTX A3000 12GB
- 128 GB DDR5-3600Mhz (1x128 GB)
- 2 x 4 TB SSD
According to this site, you can buy this one for a limited time for 50% off, or $6254... if it wasn't for the fact that you can't actually buy it because it's not available.
Getac X600 Fully Rugged Laptop: $15482
- Core i7-11850H vPro
- 15.6" LCD display
- 128 GB DDR4
- 3 x 1 TB SSD + 3 x 1 TB SSD (total 6 TB)
No discrete graphics card.
I can't wait to see what examples you can present of machines with similar specs to the fully-loaded MacBook Pro that are actually cheaper.
You DO understand that $7200 is insane to pay for any laptop, right? Just checking on the the-fuck-is-WRONG-with-you fanboi status here...
Do YOU understand that $7200 is the price for the maxed-out model? As in the M3 Max with 16 CPU and 40 GPU cores, 128 GB of RAM and 8 TB SSD?
How much would you pay for an equivalent non-Apple configuration?
A terminal EMULATOR does precisely that: it emulates the behavior of a text-only interface. This is because we have an ecosystem of command-line tools designed to work on a text-only interface, often interacting with each other forming pipelines. Any system administrator or DevOps engineer, and most software developers, need to work on a daily basis with command line tools that are intended to run without human interaction: when we write workflows for GitHub Actions, run commands on a remote host via SSH, and a multitude of other situations.
What you're asking about is an interactive graphical interface. There are plenty of those around, so just go grab whichever you prefer. Or write your own, if you can't find anything you like.
Excellent arguments, and for the most part I agree with you.
However, in those rare situations when we're still building actual physical servers instead of deploying cloud-based infrastructure it sometimes does make sense to use hardware RAID, if only because we don't have the chance to use a software-based solution.
In my case this happens when deploying hypervisors. If I'm installing a VMware vSphere cluster on bare metal, the software won't give me any way to set up a software RAID and we have to rely on the hardware RAID controller in the machine.
This is just an example, and I'm sure there are several others (people using different operating systems, or reusing older hardware for home-based file/media servers, etc).
The baker didn't say that. The baker refused to sell them the cake because they were gay, he got rightfully sued, and then his lawyer made up that nonsense about the work of art and free speech in order to get his bigot client out of the hole he dug for himself.
Except, as I pointed out, the population density in urban areas of the USA is more than double that of the urban areas in Canada,
Stop making excuses. I live in Japan, and the population density in urban areas such as Tokyo or Osaka is about the same as in the most populated urban areas in the USA. The USA has as of today around 24.100 cases and 663 deaths per million of population, VS 704 cases and 13 deaths per million in Japan.
Evidently, population density isn't the only factor here.
From around 1992 to the late 90s I was running a BBS/Fidonet node from my computer at home (2:343/163, in case somebody wants to look at old nodelists). It ran on a Frontdoor mailer with a RemoteAccess 2.x BBS backend behind, handling two phone lines. Those were MS-DOS applications. I didn't have a dedicated computer for the BBS, so that was also my day-to-day machine.
I was running OS/2 Warp and the BBS nodes were running in virtual DOS sessions in the background while I used the computer for my day-to-day stuff, also including running Windows 3.1. Windows applications running under emulation used to run faster than the same apps on equivalent hardware under native Windows, even with all the other stuff that OS/2 had running on the background.
Those were nice times.
But eventually said app will stop working once you upgrade to a future version of the OS...
There are exceptions, but nowadays most of the critical business software (that includes Adobe) works on a subscription model. You pay a periodic subscription fee and get software updates whenever they're available.
Whether this model is worse or better is another question, but the argument you presented is a non-issue for businesses and for most users.
...It has to do with the software running on the host you plug that target into,...
...which is why this point is completely irrelevant to your point, as user PhunkySchtuff already told you.
The hardware level portion can easily just ignore the first #foo number of sectors on the physical volume, and present a new logical LBA 0 starting point. In other words, it can completely fail to allow access to the iOS portion of the device.
Sure, they could implement a logical start sector in order to protect that hypothetical iOS partition that you just pulled out of your ass. You don't know yet whether the hardware is going to implement logical sector addressing, or whether there's going to be an iOS partition on newer Macs, or whether the hardware is going to forbid you to touch that partition... Yet here you are presenting those hypothetical scenarios and criticizing Apple for what they COULD do if your predictions happen to become true.
Have a nice day. (and no, I don't really care where you used to work. Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.)
Appeal to authority isn't a logical fallacy when the person referenced happens to be an authority in the matter being discussed. I don't claim by any means to be an authority in anything Apple-related, but the fact remains that I do have extensive experience with both the hardware and the software, and that I've been using Macs daily both at home and at work for the last 12+ years, while you can't name the operating system Macs run.
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