Airbus Plans to Expand Cockpit Automation 355
Carl Bialik from WSJ writes "Airbus plans computerized systems that could automatically maneuver jetliners to avoid midair collisions, without pilot input, the Wall Street Journal reports. From the article: 'For the first time, flight crews of Airbus planes will be instructed and trained to rely on autopilots in most cases to escape an impending crash with another airborne aircraft. Currently, all commercial pilots are required to instantly disconnect the autopilot when they get an alert of such an emergency, and manually put their plane into a climb or descent to avoid the other aircraft. The change, which hasn't been announced yet, comes after lengthy internal Airbus debates and despite skepticism from pilot groups and even some aircraft-equipment suppliers.'"
Old school (Score:5, Informative)
I recall reading about these dangers during the 9/11 investigation. Supposedly there were arguments leaning towards an automatic autopilot override for authorities to use in the event of something like 9/11 occurring again, the problem was just that... Too many problems and glitches with these systems. Airbus themselves have had these issues on a crash...
Mind you this accident was a while back, there were other issues with the systems overriding at the wrong time...
Re:If it stops accidents... (Score:3, Informative)
http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=455&id=73
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2082331.s
On the other hand, I've worked with Aerospatiale software engineers, and I wouldn't trust them to organise a piss-up in a brewery. Comp.risks is rife with their fuckups, so I expect Great Things from this proposal.
Re:If it stops accidents... (Score:5, Informative)
Had both listened to the air control tower or the onboard warning systems everything would have worked. This was not the case and a midair collision ensued.
Re:More noteworthy... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:More noteworthy... (Score:1, Informative)
I dont get it. The way you describe it was in fact a pilot error. Let me quote again:
because a jet engine needs several seconds to accelerate
So it seems the pilot failed to accelerate in time, isnt it? What should the software do, switch to warpdrive?
Re:Or if it causes them... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Or if it causes them...Ooops (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm [airsafe.com]
Re:If it stops accidents... (Score:2, Informative)
Here is a copy-pasted blurb from the above link:
So, the onboard avoidance system on both planes was functioning properly, one plane was told to descend, one plane was told to gain altitude. The ATC (air traffic controller) made the error.
Re:Airbus doesn't have the best record on this (Score:2, Informative)
The net result is that Airbus most certainly does not make the safest commercial airlines (I only included the lowest numbers):
Hull Loss Accidents 1959-2004 (loss per million departures)
767: 0.34
757: 0.34
737-400/400-500: 0.36
A320/319/321: 0.42
747-400: 0.75
A300-600: 1.06
727: 1.1
737-100/200: 1.31
A310: 1.60
A300: 1.68
So, Airbus certainly makes good dependable airframes, but 10-20% better then Boeing or other US made? Please, keep your FUD and rhetoric under control.
~nate
About "fly-by-wire"... (Score:2, Informative)
Just so no one gets the wrong idea here, the term "fly-by-wire" does NOT necessarily refer to a computer overriding the pilots. In a lot of the Airbus discussion I see online, it gets used in this way. FBW is, very simply put, a flight control system that uses electrical impulses over wires to send commands to the servos that move the control surfaces on the wings, tail and stabilizer as opposed to hydraulic lines or manual cable linkages. Nothing about computers overriding pilots is directly implied by the term. The Boeing 777 is a FBW aircraft and has no such system for overriding pilot inputs.
Airbus basically places something called an FCC (Flight Control Computer) as a middle man between the pilot's sidestick and the control surfaces. This computer accepts the pilots commands as input, modifies then according to what Airbus calls "flight law regimes" and then sends a modified signal on to the computers - this is where all the unique "Airbus stuff" comes from such as the pitch and roll limiters where the pilot can't exceed 33 degrees nose up or down or 66 degrees of bank. The FCC also eliminates any concept of elevator trimming for cosntant pitch, such as what you'd find on virtually any other airplane. The FCC simply continues to command the elevator to maintain whatever pitch (it's technically G-load, but that's beside the point) and bank angles that were present when the pilot lets go of the stick. Most aircraft do not hold their attitude like this, if you release the yoke, the plane will have a tendency to return to wings level and to climb or descend depending on the trim setting.
Re:If it stops accidents... (Score:1, Informative)