Suspend2 Suspended

musicon writes "Nigel Cunningham, the creator of the Suspend2 software suspend system for Linux announced his retirement from the project in a message to the Linux Kenel Mailing List. 'Users of Suspend2 can rest assured that I will not allow the patches to suffer bitrot. I will be continuing to use them myself, and will therefore have the best of incentives to keep them up-to-date [...] I won't, however, be making any sort of concerted effort at getting them merged into the vanilla kernel [...] I don't see the point to doing anything but maintaining the patches as they stand.'"

for the lazy....

[Anonymous Coward]

Hi all.

I'm delighted to announce that I've accepted a call to serve a congregation in
Victoria, Australia, as a Home Missionary elder. As a result, some time in
the next month or two, I will stop working for Cyclades and make the move.

Users of Suspend2 can rest assured that I will not allow the patches to suffer
bitrot. I will be continuing to use them myself, and will therefore have the
best of incentives to keep them up-to-date.

Now for the downside: I won't, however, be making any sort of concerted effort
at getting them merged into the vanilla kernel after my move, and am not
inclined to make a big effort beforehand. Recent discussions on LKML clearly
showed that Pavel doesn't want to see them merged, and I didn't see much in
the way of other kernel developers expressing a desire contrary to Pavel's
wishes. I don't want to waste my time and effort, so I don't see the point to
doing anything but maintaining the patches as they stand.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Cyclades for their employment and
support of the project.

Regards,

Nigel

Re:Home Missionary elder?

[smvp6459]

I think he's talking LDS AKA Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints AKA Mormon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Jesus_Chris t_of_Latter-day_Saints [wikipedia.org] )

They're about the only people I know that use the words home, missionary, and elder in the same sentence. I currently reside in Salt Lake City, Utah, or as I like to call it, the mothership of the LDS church; as such I get to witness this "culture". It's unlikely these missionaries will ever leave Australia unless A. Your goverment passes laws prohibiting their presence (China) or B. Numbers of them start getting killed (certain parts of the U.S.). And something tells me the First Presidency would disagree with your religion vs. technology assesment.

Re:Tragedy

[Anonymous Coward]

My Mac Mini can safe sleep fine [andrewescobar.com], and it was a lot less hassle to set up than suspend2 under Linux.

SuspendNow [altervista.org] software is useful too, so you can hibernate on demand.

I'm not resigning.

[nigelcunningham]

I guess I didn't write that email well enough - I tried to clearly say I'm not resigning, just switching full-time jobs, and as a result won't be working on Suspend as much. Given that it's already pretty mature, this won't have much effect on it's development, and I'll still be producing patches for vanilla kernels. Hope that helps. Nigel

Misleading subject

[.tom.]

This post's subject is misleading:
- suspend2 project is not suspended
- Nigel Cunningam will keep working on it
- it's only inclusion in vanilla kernel (mainline) which is unclear

Trying to make puns in subjects is not always a good idead...

Re:Home Missionary elder?

[swillden]

I think he's talking LDS AKA Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints AKA Mormon. They're about the only people I know that use the words home, missionary, and elder in the same sentence.

I'm Mormon, and was a missionary, and the LDS Church has no such thing as "Home Missionary elder". We have full-time missionaries, both young (ages 19-25 or so) and old (retired couples), and Home Teachers, who visit members of the Church in their own areas, and various Ward Missionaries and Stake Missionaries, who also only work in their own home areas, and do it as a part time thing (usually no more than a couple of hours per week).

So (unfortunately :-) ), I don't think Nigel is Mormon. I do respect and honor his decision to serve God in his own faith, though, and wish him well in his endeavors, even though I use and like Suspend2 and wish it were in Linus' tree.

And to all of the people complaining about Mormon missionaries "forcing" their beliefs upon people, missionaries do no such thing. Indeed, there's really no way they could force their ideas on people. Missionaries offer to talk to you, and to give you a Book of Mormon. If you don't want to talk to them, don't. Unlike the missionaries of some other faiths, Mormon missionaries are taught to be polite and respectful, not confrontational or combative. In my experience, 99% of the complaints about pushy Mormon missionaries are actually complaints about other churches' missionaries who are mistaken for Mormons. And even those missionaries can't "force" their ideas on anyone... they just use an approach which is more offensive (and, IME, far less successful as well).

Re:What are the alternatives?

[Anonymous Coward]

If the patch for 2.6.15.1 didn't apply to 2.6.15.4 cleanly Nigel would have released another patch. Generally the differences between the minor revisions aren't significant enough to warrant another patch. FWIW, I use the 2.6.15.1 patch on 2.6.15.4 and it applied/compiled/works just fine.

Re:I'm not resigning.

[nigelcunningham]

I don't think we need a new maintainer, but if it comes to that, I'd happily work with them. I still have lots of tidying up and improving the documentation to do first though. No sense making it harder for others to use and understand than it needs to be. Regards, Nigel

Re:I'm not resigning.

[nigelcunningham]

Mostly because Pavel has the death grip on the vanilla kernel. I'm still working on doing everything necessary to get it merged, including preparing a git tree. I figure that even if it doesn't get merged, it will make it easier for me to maintain and for distros to take up if they want to. Who knows - maybe Andrew and Linus will eventually decide to pick it up regardless of Pavel's objections. But they won't be able to do that if I don't get it ready. HTH.

Re:Misleading subject

[nigelcunningham]

Hardware bug fixes aren't really my domain. Traditionally, I have included some so that suspend2 users don't have to go searching for extra patches, but they really belong upstream to start with so swsusp users can benefit too. New features... well, I think I've run out of things that need to be added. If you have a suggestion, I'd certainly consider it.

Re:That's fine.

[nigelcunningham]

I'm sorry, but saying that shows a lack of understanding of how complex using kexec would really be. It's designed for a completely different purpose, and mangling it to do suspend would be complicated to say the least, and require the user to set aside a considerable amount of memory that just isn't really necessary.