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Initial Review of Microsoft's Acrylic BETA 283

Geuis writes "I'll admit, I'm not a big Microsoft fan. I'm an old-time user of Adobe Photoshop, and I love nearly everything it can do. However, in the interest of science, I decided to try out the new beta for Microsoft's answer to Photoshop, Acrylic. My review is posted on my blog. Final recommendation: Stay as far away from Acrylic as you can. It needs so much development work done, it shouldn't be out of Alpha testing. If this is anywhere close to the final product they are planning to release, then Microsoft should be prepared to eat another few million in lost development funds. There's no reason you should have to eat it too."
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Initial Review of Microsoft's Acrylic BETA

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  • by NathanBFH ( 558218 ) on Saturday June 11, 2005 @05:29PM (#12790820)
    Microsoft's Acrylic is based off of "Creature House Expression", which they recently acquired. As it turns out, the software isn't all that similiar to Photoshop, most of the tools are actually vector based. Read a short review of the original Creature House Expression here [pcplus.co.uk].
  • by THEUBERGEEK ( 891151 ) on Saturday June 11, 2005 @05:33PM (#12790855) Homepage
    I am no fan of Microsoft, but having done support for them I know how whiny and unyeilding their customers can be.
    they want a small app that will fit on a floppy, backwards compatibly with EVERYTHING, bug free out of the box, have perpetual support, and they want the damned thing to get up and dance a jig.
    MS may be a monopolistic greedy bloodsucker, but they do not deserve all the bashing they get for the software they actually design themselves
  • Acrylic/Expression (Score:5, Informative)

    by X_Caffeine ( 451624 ) on Saturday June 11, 2005 @05:38PM (#12790882)
    The writer seemed unclear as to what this software is for. It is not, as he says, "Microsoft's answer to Photoshop." It's more like Microsoft's answer to Illustrator.

    Except it's not that either. It's a repackaging of some software they bought a couple years ago called Expression, which is to Illustrator as Corel/FractalDesign Painter is to Photoshop. That is, not really a competitor, more like a companion that specializes in natural media.

    Granted, MS might be confusing the situation by trying to make the software do too much (red eye removal in a vector software? er, OK), but this isn't meant to be a Photoshop competitor at all.
  • As an avid user (Score:5, Informative)

    by metalhed77 ( 250273 ) <andrewvc@gmaCOUGARil.com minus cat> on Saturday June 11, 2005 @05:43PM (#12790900) Homepage
    As an avid user of photoshop, and someone who is generally unfriendly to MS even I must say that this review is total crap. After reading this review I have no idea what features Acrylic has really, the only things compared are the brushes, image navigation, and plugins.

    What about things like how it performs in a digital camera workflow, prepress workflow, web design workflow, etc. I have no idea from this how this program handles color spaces, vectors, or myriad other features. Hell, this review doesn't even mention how well it supports type.

    The lack of discussion regarding acrylic's vector capabilities is the most damning thing since acrylic uses a ton of code from an acclaimed vector program (Creature House Expression) Microsoft bought from another company.

    I've been waiting for a decent review of Acrylic, but this is not it. It should also be mentioned that Adobe Photoshop has a truly massive featureset which almost no one uses in full. It's a bigass swiss army knife with different facets used by different industries. Duplicating the functionality of such a program should take a VERY long time, give MS a little break here.
  • by stubear ( 130454 ) on Saturday June 11, 2005 @05:47PM (#12790920)
    ...and it never was. This began its life as Expression by a company called Creature House. Microsoft bought the company to get access to the unbelievably cool vector editing capabilities of Expression, likely for use in Longhorn's Avalon UI. Acrylic is Microsoft's first release of the app with their branding and small UI changes. Expression never had a good UI to begin with and Microsoft really has done nothing to improve or destroy it. However, this is, and never was a raster editing application. if it were to be compared to anything from Adobe it would be Illustrator.
  • by metlin ( 258108 ) * on Saturday June 11, 2005 @05:52PM (#12790953) Journal
    Yeah, I've read several blog reviews, and some of them are genuinely good. In fact, if he had known what exactly it does, maybe the review might actually have been half decent.

    Instead, this just sounds like a fanboy who tried something he did not know what it was for and wrote a review.

    And ofcourse it's not even going to come close to Photoshop, what was s/he thinking? Like another poster remarked, this is probably nothing more than a publicity stunt by MS. Or maybe it's their attempt at bringing a simple vector + pixel editing program to the masses, the folks who cannot afford MM Fireworks or Photoshop. That might make a lot of sense, too -- since MS is quite well known to start by capturing the SME market and move upwards.

    But from what I've seen, while the program isn't particularly impressive, MS could work on making it quite nice, if they wanted to. Just my two cents, ofcourse! =)
  • Re:Pointless review (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 11, 2005 @05:56PM (#12790977)
    Photoshop plugins have no interface to handle vector data, they are purely bitmap transformations.

    I can't imagine why this huy thought they would work.
  • by daviddisco ( 302106 ) on Saturday June 11, 2005 @05:59PM (#12790989)
    1. "I downloaded the file 3 different times and each time the file was corrupt. " It downloaded fine for me.
    2. "There's no way to move around the image easily. No scrolls on the side or bottom. " but in fact there are scrolls on the top and bottom, they just look a little different than the usual scrollbars
    3."Another problem is that Acrylic is slow. " but it seemed fast to me.
    4. "Overall, there is nothing outstanding about this product at this juncture." but I thought it had a much more intuitive interface and therefore was easier to use than other similiar software packages.
  • by whitehatlurker ( 867714 ) on Saturday June 11, 2005 @06:01PM (#12791003) Journal
    Caveat: I have not installed Acrylic yet. I did successfully download it - in one attempt, maybe I should be proud enough of that.

    However, I did take a look at the included release notes which plainly state:

    Known Issues

    • Pixel painting has not yet been optimized and the performance is slow. Optimization work is currently in progress and drastically improved performance will be delivered in the final release.
    • Importing of .ai files can results in blank documents and under some circumstances application instability.
    • Exporting to non-.xpr vector formats does not persist pixel layer data.
    The reviewer comments: "Another problem is that Acrylic is slow" in the pixel manipulation part.

    The idea is to test stuff that isn't known to perform badly. To do so is hardly sporting ...

  • by PhiberOptix ( 182584 ) on Saturday June 11, 2005 @06:12PM (#12791040)
    I am perfectly ok with john doe's review of . That's because sometimes that's the only way to find a "honest" opinion about .

    The real problem here is with editors. Content like this (crapful review) should not be posted on /. Its your friggin job to read the links you post here.

    This is all assuming that the editor did not read the article linked, because if he did read and still decided to post it, oh boy, this place needs a change in the staff.
  • My review. IANAGA (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 11, 2005 @06:45PM (#12791269)
    Wow, what a crappy article.

    But I've never heard of this before, so it piqued my interest. I downloaded it (I think it's 'code name acrylic' so the final product name will probably be something like "Microsoft Vector Artist .. or something along those lines".

    Fair warning I am not a graphic artist, but I dabble a little. A lot during school, much less so now.

    Anyways, the bloggers comments aren't accurate - the UI seems familiar enough if you've ever used Adobe Illustrator or Corel Painter you'll have no time getting around. There are some variations on the usual 'windows UI' - but they're more inline with other graphical editors (eg. As is customary the mouse scroll button zooms etc..)

    It can export to .tif, .jpg, .bmp, .png, & gif as well as Illustrator and .pdf files.

    I really liked the behaviour of the freehand pen, the visual cue of seeing the harline withing the preview over where the ink will go is a feature more drawing progams should incorporate. I also like the option to toggle 'highlight new path' maybe there's a way to do that in illustator but I haven't figured it out - and it's a design flaw that bothers me when drawing a series of lines tightly packed.

    I'd like to try this with a tablet. Some programs really behave better (What would be perfect for me is to have the width bahaviour be modifed by the stoke speed). Draw fast=thinniner, slowly draw = fat line, sit there the ink should 'bleed' a bit.

    *** Things I didn't like,
    Not enough variation in some of their built-in strokes. The titular 'Acrylic' stokes look way too alike, it's distracting for the tails of a 'natural media' stroke to look so identical.

    *** I couldn't find a color mixer or a way to change the 'canvas' type.

    *** some of the behaviours of the gradiant on a stroke seemed confusing. Is it 'head to tail'? why is it when I mix up the order of storke directions some are 'black to white' and other 'white to black'? This is probably because it's beta, so I can be pretty forgiving of that (at least it didn't crap out).

    All in all pretty solid for a beta, I'm curious to see what the final product is like.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 11, 2005 @06:48PM (#12791287)
    Agreed, a better comparison would have been pitting it against xara x, which is also in the business of balancing a mix of bitmap and vector editing capabilities.

    If any old product from creature house/fractal design should be compared to adobe photoshop, the one that became corel painter is probably a better match.
  • by theantidote ( 891365 ) on Saturday June 11, 2005 @06:58PM (#12791330)
    I wonder if this reviewer was smart enough to realize that Download Accelerator Plus (that little lightning bolt in his task tray) cripples 70% of your downloads. Also it's ridden with spyware. This review is rediculous. How did it get posted?
  • by bcrowell ( 177657 ) on Saturday June 11, 2005 @07:11PM (#12791424) Homepage
    Well, it's primarily a vector editing program, you ought to be comparing it against such tools as Macromedia's Fireworks and the like.
    Or against Inkscape [inkscape.org], which is open-source, and is getting to be a reasonably stable, full-featured piece of software. It runs on Windows and Linux.
  • Re:XP only? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Fluffy the attack ki ( 890645 ) on Sunday June 12, 2005 @05:54AM (#12793765)
    It actually runs quite nicely on Win2K, but you need to remove the version check from the msi file before it will install. You'll also need to download a DLL file. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152318&cid=127 82556 [slashdot.org]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 12, 2005 @07:25AM (#12793943)
    I am not a graphic designer, so vector graphics aren't really interesting to me - or at least no one has ever explained why they would be.
    Microsoft are planning to release a completely new framework for developing user interfaces, codenamed "Avalon". Avalon will (probably) be available in Longhorn, and backported to Windows XP. Avalon will be completely vector-based. So, to develop the best-looking UIs in Avalon, you will need a vector graphics tool.

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