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Richard's Simple Theo-Survey

Who were/are the top 3 Christian thinkers (apart from Jesus or the apostles)?
Lewis, Luther, Wesley

Do you think that the objects of theology are fundamentally rational?
Yeah

What is the proper relationship between theology and philosophy?
God created thought, so perhaps Theology creates Philosophy?

What is the proper relationship between theology and science?
Science describes the world that God made. Science does not validate theology (nor should theologians expect it to).

What is the proper relationship between philosophy and science?
Philosophy describes the thoughts of science.

God: One Substance and Three Persons or Three Hypostatic beings?
The former

Who sends the Holy Spirit? Does it matter?
Jesus SENT the HS. (OK, and God sent Him a few times too.) But He's here, and He's God. That's all that matters.

Does the host's meaning come from Transubstantiation, Consubstantiation, Symbolism, or something else?
Is it possible to belive the elements are symbolic and still believe there is power in communion? If not, I've gotta go with consubstantiation.

Natural theology: Nay or Yay?
Umm...

Do you hold to any certain eschatological stance?
Dispensationist turned inaugurated enacted eschatologist with amillennialist leanings.

Human Will: Are you a libertarian, molinist, hard determinist, compatiblist, or something else?
Something else - can I call myself a conservative evangelical appealing to the fundamental belief in the inerrancy and sufficiency of scripture?

Apologetics: Do you prefer classical, evidential, presuppositional, existential or something else?
No.

Mysticism: Does it (need to) play a role in a person's spiritual life?
Depends on your definition of mysticism.

Governance: Episcopal, Presbyterian, Congregational, Libertarian or other?
Apostolic

Should there be a sharp distinction between clergy and laity?
No.

Do you agree with common law marriage?
No, but I'd certainly never tell someone that they are not married in the eyes of God or something if they had a common law marriage that was recognized by the state.

Should Christians fight during a war?
Yes, but only some wars

Same Sex Marriage or Civil unions: right, wrong or "who cares"?
Not my decision, thank goodness.

What role do the Christian scriptures have in contemporary ethics?
Are contemporary ethics really ethics?

What is a proper Christian attitude towards a person who commits suicide?
Sad and sympathetic.

Who are the top 3 Christian artists of our time?
Bono, Switchfoot, can Willard count?

What is the most pressing issue that confronts Christianity at this time?
Us.

Should there be such a thing as Christian Pop Culture?
No, provided there is still a place to purchase Veggie Tales after CPC's demise.

Can a Christian vote Liberal/Left Wing/Democrat or Conservative/Right Wing/Republican?
A better question is "Can a Christian NOT vote, or vote for someone they wouldn't actually want to win?"

Should Christian's work to 'Christianise' the morality of their nation via censorship laws?
No. We live in a nation of notional Christians. Legislating moraltiy does more harm than good, makes more enemies than friends.

Can a Christian support the death penalty?
No.

Where do you see the Western (North America/Europe) Christian church in fifty years? Small.
Loss of nominal Christians will be good b/c more solidarity, bad b/c of fewer believers.

Where do you see the southern (South America/Africa/Asia) Christian church in fifty years?
Huge. Leading the Western church.

Augustine, Aquinas, Pseudo Dionysus, Calvin, Luther, or Barth: Who would win in a bar fight?
Luther. Hands-down. One hand tied behind his back. On one leg. Blindfolded.

Take this survey at http://www.kwiz.biz/simplesurveys/do-survey.php. Or just copy the plaintext version from my blog.

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  • I have a great set of answers, but unfortunately the slash-filters say it has too few characters per line.
    • Are you kidding, or are you really unable to post your answers? (Either I'm gullible, or you need to convert it to plaintext like I did.)

      • Who were/are the top 3 Christian thinkers (apart from Jesus or the apostles)?

        Not as interesting as who were the three top revelators. I like to discuss with thinkers, but I learn from revelators. In which case the top three are probably SuperYooser, HBI, and Talinom.

        Do you think that the objects of theology are fundamentally rational?

        I hesitate to say. "Rational" is such a subjective term and requires specifying the subject. No it is not rational if the judging is done by the man on the street. Yes i

      • Natural theology: Nay or Yay?

        Natural as in only what we can repeatably observe and have others observe? Nay. Natural as in the way God made it? Okay.

        Do you hold to any certain eschatological stance?

        There will be an end to the world but thats not an end to us.

        Human Will: Are you a libertarian, molinist, hard determinist, compatiblist, or something else?

        Accountable Moral Agency -ist

        Apologetics: Do you prefer classical, evidential, presuppositional, existential or something else?

        I'm sure my detracto

        • Question about your accountable moral agency-ist answer. Do you know about Molinism and Neo-Molinism and Libertarianism? If so, how would you say that you differ from each? I lean toward the Neo-Molinist side. I'm not even sure how Molinism and Libertarianism are different (and likewise, not entirely sure how compatiblism and neo-molinism are different, but I identify with what I've read about neo-molinism).

          Also, by Authoritarian on church governance, do you mean Apostolic, where you believe that your
      • Can a Christian vote Liberal/Left Wing/Democrat or Conservative/Right Wing/Republican?

        Yes (see "war" question above)

        Should Christian's work to 'Christianise' the morality of their nation via censorship laws?

        Like with pop culture, if you have to sell it as "christian" then better to not sell it at all. (See Contemporary ethics and pressing issue above).

        Can a Christian support the death penalty?

        Yes, see voting above.

        Where do you see the Western (North America/Europe) Christian church in fifty yea

  • Who were/are the top 3 Christian thinkers (apart from Jesus or the apostles)?

    God the Father
    Mary Magdeline
    Lucifer

    Do you think that the objects of theology are fundamentally rational?

    No. The objects of theology--that is, God--created man in His image, and man is not fundamentally rational.

    Nominally rational? Yes. Mostly rational? Yes. Rationally structured? You betcha.

    What is the proper relationship between theology and philosophy?

    Theology should be a subset of philosophy. I do think that Ou
    • Awesome. Thanks for sharing.

      Although I COULD make lots of comments on your answers, I only really feel inclined to comment on one of them. That is regarding your answer to the death penalty. You are right in noting that the scripture does give lawful governance, but there are two reasons why a Christian should not support the death penalty.

      The first is that Jesus didn't. We have a specific instance in the scripture where He did not throw a stone at the woman caught in adultery. By his standards (the
      • Awesome. Thanks for sharing

        You're welcome. I might copy this into my jounral, for posterity's & comment's sake.

        As for the death penalty: I agree, it's horribly overzealous, and we should emulate Christ in our dealings with it. But, IMO, that means that it should be part of the law as the ultimate penalty, and we should show mercy to those who commit those sins and ask for mercy.
  • My reply can be found here [slashdot.org].
  • Who were/are the top 3 Christian thinkers
    Don't know of any, sorry.

    Do you think that the objects of theology are fundamentally rational?
    No, I think that precisely the opposite -- that they are fundametnally irrational, by definition.

    What is the proper relationship between theology and philosophy?
    The former is a subset of the latter.

    What is the proper relationship between theology and science?
    The have no relationship, as they address two different problems. Science attempts to explain how. Th

    • About which one does not know, one must remain silent.

      Liora, you know that in the most superficial way, I share an atheistic belief with Tet, but I'd like to emphasize that that's about as far as the coincidence goes.

      The fact that obligated me to post a reply here was that many atheists are not as narrow minded as the Christian fundamentalists they imagine at every turn - it's just that we're also more moderate in our outbursts. Candidly, Christian theology and philosophy holds a unique fascination, and

      • Thanks Nyarly. I think that Tet was just trying to share his answers to those questions with me. And my thoughts for Tet are as follows "Hmm... you are a hard determinist b/c you can't prove otherwise. Can you prove otherwise about the existance of God? If not, perhaps you might consider leaving atheism and stepping over with the rest of us Christians here on the agnostic side of the line." Actually, I had a good laugh over many of his responses, and I can certainly see where he's coming from.

        And to y
        • nd to you, if you are so sensible about the deification of anything (which you are, sensible, that is, science, Christ, anything really), it disappoints me that you are still an atheist as well. It doesn't surprise me though.

          It certainly shouldn't: my atheism is applied as universally as possible. A pan-atheism, you could say. It saddens me that you'd be disappointed, though. My beliefs on god haven't changed much in the last few years; it may be that my beliefs regarding religion and it's place in lif

      • About which one does not know, one must remain silent.

        Which is why, you may note, that most of my answers contained no content.

        And it's plainly misguided to suggest that Science is infallible, or more worthy of deification than Christ.

        I hope you didn't read that into my answers, as it's certainly not my belief. Science is very definitely fallible, as has been proved many times throughout recorded history. But hey, I got called a schmuck! That's gotta be a win in my book :-)

        • I'm glad that you took my comments in good humor. I spent the rest of the day feeling a little worried that you'd feel more viciously attacking intent in my ascerbic comments than was really there.

          Truthfully, I think you also bore the brunt of a certain amount of annoyance more properly directed at an old Objectivist schoolmate of mine, who would tactlessly inform people that their theistic beliefs were stupid. Given that this was a selective and competitive university, far from home, for many people t

      • He is kind of a schmuck, yeah, given that he's trying to pick a fight with Liora in his journal. He also doesn't have anything interesting to say, or know what Liora is talking about. Getting off when people call you a schmuck makes you a schmuck. However, Nyarly, you didn't take the survey!

        I'm atheist shading into agnostic, and I'll actually honestly answer the questions while I wait for my program to execute.

        Who were/are the top 3 Christian thinkers (apart from Jesus or the apostles)?
        The top three thi
        • I read your post and was at first confused, but then got over it. You meant to say that it looked like Tet was trying to pick a fight with Liora in HER journal. But at first I thought that you meant this was Tet's journal, and I was all confused. Silly asexual internet handle like Liora... just what was I thinking?

          Anyway... thanks for contributing. I especially like the line that about how one should not fight [in a war] simply because they are a Christian. It conjured up images of Klingons preparing
          • Just curiously... you believe that we have free will. Who do you believe gave us free will?

            Why is it necessary that we were given free will? Agency has always struck me as something that would have to be constrained. Which, incidentally, a perfect prescience (or worse yet, omniscience) does necessarily. In other words, in the absence of outside forces, we must necessarily have free will. The Cartesian argument (is it Descarte, or some one else?) that the human will is infinite and so necessarily a gif

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