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Journal t_allardyce's Journal: Vanunu Interview Smuggled Out 38

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Oh I love to see governments squirm and get pissed off when theres nothing they can do about it. I was loosing hope for the BBC since Fame Academy 2 (when you copy a crap show like pop-idol but take out the best part thats what you get) but this was brilliant! they managed to get an interview with this guy and used an Israeli interviewer to get past the rule that he couldnt talk to foreign press! They got raided half way through and had tapes confiscated but still managed to smuggle the whole thing back to London, just like in good old 1986! Of course the Israeli government was as pissed as shit claiming that the interview revealed more secrets (which of course are very very dangerous secrets that would allow anyone full access to Israels nuclear weapons) and even more brilliantly said that the BBC was a:

"communications organization whose goal is to undermine the legitimacy of the state of Israel. It promotes hostile coverage of Israel... and the Vanunu affair proves that the BBC is a communications entity which shows complete disregard for journalistic standards and ethics. Their journalistic culture can be compared to that of media outlets in Arab states, or in the Palestinian Authority." source

Lets just take a look at that:

  • communications organization - check, its still a free-speech world right?
  • goal is to undermine the legitimacy of the state of Israel - your goal is to undermine the legitimacy of the state of Palestine - snap!
  • complete disregard for journalistic standards and ethics - OH REALLY!? you can talk about ethics when you kidnap someone from another country and treat them like shit for 18 years.
  • Comparable to Arab media and Palestinian Authority - now your just being mean

So of course they begged the BBC to not show the interview, they got down on their knees and started sucki.. oh wait got carried away there, basically they're pissed off to the max and I was worried that maybe the show would be cancelled and replaced with a repeat of The Good Life but no it went on. This thing needs to be seen and this guy frankly needs to be rescued by the Brits. Id like to think that if he decided to leg it to the British embassy we would help him and fly him out.

And lastly all these people who think he gave away dangerous secrets - WTF are you smoking? how was the information dangerous? how did it give terrorists access to nuclear weapons? Dimona was _known_ to be a _reactor_ it had a big fucking dome on it and radiation signs around it, if a terrorist wanted to blow it up they would do it because of that and no, blowing it up would not cause a nuclear detonation it would be like a normal reactor blowing up which they already knew! Secondly the nuclear stockpile will not be stored there and he did not know or reveal the locations of those weapons. What he did say was a confirmation of what US inspectors had suspected in the 60's - in their own report which is publicly availiable now they believed that they wern't being told the whole truth, Vanunu helped America and yet even Americans consider him a traitor!? .. And still the Israeli government neither denies or confirms their nuclear arsenal, an act which really buggers up nuclear non-proliferation treaties which of course they don't sign. As of December 2000, there are 187 parties to the NPT.

I really did try to have a fair and balanced argument before but, Israeli government - go fuck yourselves, you kidnap, censor, treat like shit, then censor again, then arrest our journalists and get away with it! And for what its worth, if he was revealing nuclear secrets about my country I would still call him a hero.

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  • Sweet its article number 73000:)
    just wanted to add:

    Go BB! Go BB! Go, Go, Go BB!
    In your face sharon! in your face totally! nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah
    We got the tape! we got the tape!! we got the tape and it just got shown to everyone! oh i hope it went out on satellite too!
  • *Adds to Friends list*
  • You should also raise your voice in support of Jonathan Pollard who serves life sentence in an American prison for passing information on Iraq nuclear reactor to Israel. He deserves no less passion of yours than Vanunu.

    • Actually i'd never heard of him, but i'll look him up. These people went to prision while i was in play-school!
      • Now please think a bit - how come Vanunu is so much advertised while Pollard is left to rot in jail for the rest of his life (and that for making no damage to the security of his country - USA who happens to proclaim itself an ally of Israel)

        As to BBC - I like their domestic programming (we in Israel can watch BBC Prime) but their World service (international) is below all professional level - see a bunch of my other posts (they cover bias of other media too but BBC is notorious among them for their lies a
        • Vanunu isnt advertisd at all. The interview was shown once at about 10:30pm and not even on the BBC's main channel, he's had virtually no press coverage and if you go to the websites of the BBC, CNN, Fox, Aljazeera, Jerusalem Post (try any other Israeli or other sites if you want) he is not on the front page, even on his release he was only a sub-heading for one day on these sites, thats what pisses me off so much, the Israeli government gets away with this and its swept under the carpet. I dont know about
          • Hmm.

            You're incorrect about low publicity for Vanunu. I remember very well the high level of coverage of the days when he vas released - we had called it "Festival of Vanunu" here; his several first days out of prison were covered in Israeli television and in CNN and Reuters (I cannot tell about others) in incredible level of details. A lucrative apartment in Andromede Residential building in Tel-Aviv was rented for him - they showed the apartment. He went to such-and-such restaurant and ate there such
            • "Do you know that after British mandate" should read "Do you claim...".

              Too bad no comment editing in Slashdot.
            • Regarding kidnapping - gimme a break! This is such a HUGE violation of human rights! Yea, sure. We should have let him roam all over the world revealing classified information?

              Perhaps I don't understand your failed attempt at sarcasm, but yes, Kidnapping is a HUGE violation of human rights. Democratic nations claim to be above these type of tactics and insist that other non-democratic countries follow their lead. When a democratic country ignores human rights they lose their moral ground and authority.
              • Of course the fact that the Jews were killed in the millions and weren't allowed to enter places of refuge, like America, had nothing to do with the founding of Israel. It's not like there hasn't been one other time where Israel was left to fight for itself against the Arab nations, and won.

                I'm sure next we'll be hearing about the Elders of Zion garbage as well.

            • Could you please define what anti-semitism means for me? maybe im wrong but it sounds like just another word for racism or hatred, but the rest of the world just call it racism and hatred instead of having their own special racism which comes across to me as saying "hatred towards Jews is the worst form of hatred in the world because we are superior" Maybe its a PR issue, might want to get it fixed tho?

              Yes i agree Britian was a ruthless world-domination war machine who once took over Palestine too, now we
            • excuse me, but why do you believe the "jews" deserve their own nation? are you suggesting, every group that feels like having their own state, should have just that? israel-palestine-solution: get all peace willing people out, declare area 'war zone', and let any 'leader' that desires a war go there. (this would also be a fantastic location to show german and english soccer games, to let them fOOLS enjoy themselfs. my 2 cent
              • I guess since the Jews were being exterminated, and places such as the US weren't accepting Jewish immagrants, I guess it would make since to give them their own land. I mean, the Arab nations surely will be able to destroy Israel withi...Whoops, big mistake!

                Your argument has no place now, Israel is already a nation and you can't change that without making yourself a hypocrit. And all you need to do is replace "jews" with "palestinians" and the argument could be just as valid.
                • i am not talking about revising any past decisions. though you would need to explain, why the suggestion to remove israel and introduce a united 'jewish'/palastinian state, would be hypocritical?

                  let me also state, that i do believe, the decision to establish a jewish state, was a very bad idea! why? the state is an abstraction of the government. any government founding its rule on religion, needs to be rejected as the state needs to be a secular one. IMHO history has proven again and again, the fatality
                  • A joint Jewish/Palestinian state isn't hypocritical, but it's certainly not feasable. "Let's just forgive and forget, huh?" Ya, right. That would be the same as a joint American/English state post-Revolutionary war. Laughable to say the least.

                    Who's territory was it pre-Independence War? England's. The English could do whatever they wanted with the land, and they gave it to the Jews.
                    • It happens over and over again in society: one side hits another, the other hits back, at each stage they get more and more pissed off with eachother. If there are additional factions with their own agendas and terrorist or resistance fighters hidden amongst the people then it gets even worse, one side could get pissed off with being ambushed so they go and find the village or base they think its comming from and torch the place and start torturing or raping all the woman and shooting peoples kids, the othe
                    • typical argument for those that don't want true change to occur. of course one can ridicule any attempt of getting along with each other.
                      i really have to disregard your comment as stupid. you are trying to argument historically, by just taking one example, that seems only obvious, to someone who think as superficial as you do.
                      how i dare make such a statement?
                      i grew up in germany, and guess what? there are jews living in germany. it should be obvious that i am not trying to state that a few lucky and stro
                    • So you're saying that because there are Jews in Germany that the Israelis and Palestinians can just "Forgive and forget?"

                      The US and England are good buddies now, but they weren't post-Revolutionary war. Do you think any of the people alive during the Revolutionary war in England or America would have been able to forgive and forget? It took decades before the US and England began trading with each other again. Not until all the people alive during that war died was there able to be mending of relationshi
                    • funny, i think our opinions aren't as far apart, as one might think.

                      i guess i hadn't been clear enough, as i still find it difficult at times, to find the right words, to express my thoughts.
                      i did not have in mind, nor implied, that two waring parties would negotiate a peace deal, or anything like that. in our case, i think we both will agree, that the head of any side will find it impossible to ever venture down such a path. lets not forget the power of keeping face.
                      it will take a force/power from outs
  • Lack of Context

    By failing to provide proper context and full background information, journalists can dramatically distort the true picture.

    EXAMPLE: A BBC photo depicts two Palestinians, hands tied behind their backs, and kneeling on the ground. Standing over them is an Israeli soldier with a rifle pointed at their heads.

    There is no context identifying this photo, just the benign caption "Tension has been high around the Jewish settlements." But who are the Arabs in this photo? Did they just murder Jews i
    • "Jewish settlements" eh? That's something you don't hear mentioned much in the US media, if ever. In fact you hear about "Palestinian militants" and "Israeli retaliation." But you never hear which atrocity the Palestinians are 'retaliating' for. But then bulldozers are probably a more acceptable weapon for slaughtering civilians than explosive belts.
  • Selective Omission

    By choosing to report certain events over others, the media controls access to information and manipulates public sentiment.

    EXAMPLE: Ever since the violence began, media outlets routinely refer to the Intifada as being "sparked by Ariel Sharon's provocative visit to the Temple Mount." This is despite the admission by Palestinian Minister of Communications Imad el-Falouji that the Palestinian Authority pre-planned the outbreak of violence. As reported in the semi-governmental Beirut "Dail
  • Using True Facts To Draw False Conclusions

    Media reports frequently use true facts to draw erroneous conclusions.

    EXAMPLE: In February 2001, when Ariel Sharon was elected Israeli Prime Minister, the Christian Science Monitor tried to delegitimize the voters' choice by claiming that voter turnout "was an unprecedentedly low 60 percent," and claiming that "at least 62 percent of eligible Israeli voters did not vote for Sharon."

    In reality, only despotic countries like North Korea or Syria report 99 percent vo
  • Distortion of Facts

    In today's competitive media world, reporters frequently do not have the time, inclination or resources to properly verify information before submitting a story for publication.

    EXAMPLE: In reporting on violence of Joseph's Tomb, CNN writes:

    Meanwhile, at least 77 people, mostly Palestinians have died during several fierce clashes at Joseph's Tomb during the past week. The lone Israeli soldier to die during the clashes bled to death in the tomb as rescuers tried for hours to reach him.

    C
    • Thats very true, all media all over the world distort, bias and selectively choose their reporting to fit various needs (such as selling more papers or doing what their government says) and the BBC is no different. All your examples are insightful but you havnt given any examples what-so-ever about Vanunu which is really what the topic is about. The facts here seem to speak for themselves and the distortion of those facts seems to be solely in the censored and controlled Israeli press.
      • Yep, Israeli press is indeed censored and controlled - by the Left - even under Likud (=right) government and parliament!

        I wish you could read Haaretz or watch Israeli television. They're even more pro-Arab than BBC - against public mood nowadays which are quite anti-Arab these days (for understandable reasons).

        As to Vanunu, I don't know what else should I say. The guy signed Non-disclosure whatever agreement and violated it in most disgusting manner. Any country would push him into jail. And with tha
    • Did you have to crapflood this discussion with off-topic yet somehow distantly related posts? Couldn't you just put it all in one post so we could ignore it?

      Anyway, I looked at some of your past comments and realized that you're just a Zionist troll. Gotta expect at least one of you to show up whenever a topic like this comes up.

    • I think it's pretty obvious that the original text that was copied [aish.com] into these posts came from a source with a jewish slant [aish.com].
      Always consider the source.

      Aish HaTorah is a non-profit, apolitical, international network of Jewish educational centers, providing opportunities for Jews of all backgrounds to discover the wisdom and beauty of their heritage in an atmosphere of open inquiry and mutual respect. Over 25 branches in 8 countries inspire over 100,000 people each year with the meaning of being Jew

  • Is there a transcript of the interview online? I'd really like to read it. I get the BBC World News on PBS here every day, but I don't think it's going to be covered on the half-hour show.

    Thanks.
  • Man this story got lost down the back of the sofa. Just to update, he's trying to get the ban on leaving the country lifted so that maybe he could get away from such a backwards opressive government. Well hes free to crash at my place and tell me all about the masses of top-secret information he holds so i can go and steal israels nukes because thats whats its about really isnt it? He is so dangerous that just by talking he could lead the world into nuclear war, give me a fucking break israel.

    Just to sum u

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