sulli's Journal: Attn. Anti-Plan B, Anti-Contraception Moralists

You caused an abortion that could easily have been prevented. Morons.

Like I always say...

[nizo]

"Head smackin' goodness!"

At least she could get an abortion.

[Some Woman]

Last time I went in for my annual exam, the doctor gave me a prescription for Plan B that is good for 12 months. I never even asked for it, but it's nice to have.

Not even half of it

[cyranoVR]

The War on Contraception [nytimes.com] (NY Times Magazine)

Um

[pudge]

Since she could not get an abortion, she therefore had an abortion. And somehow this abortion she did have is meaningful ... how?

Oh, I know, you think it is not an abortion. Maybe technically it is not an abortion, but that's just a word: it's not "abortion" that people oppose, it's the willfull and unjustified destruction of what people, reasonably (since it's a biological fact), believe is a unique human life, and that it should be preserved. That is happening whether this is an abortion or not.

So you'

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[sulli]

You consider the use of Plan B an abortion. The medical community does not, and I agree with the medical community. It's much better to use emergency contraception than have a surgical abortion, which is riskier.

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[pudge]

You consider the use of Plan B an abortion. The medical community does not, and I agree with the medical community.

Again, you are missing the point. I just noted that what you call it is irrelevant, because it is not "abortion" that people have a problem with, it is the destruction of human life. And the medical community DOES universally agree that the fertilized egg that is prevented from implanting is a unique human (homo sapiens) life (living organism). There is no dispute on this in the medical com

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[pudge]

You clearly believe that the fertilization process creates a soul.

False. It is not clear, and it is not true: I have no such belief. Work on your straw men, maybe get some practice in.

A chemical reaction between nucleic molecules isn't as convincing to me, personally, as, say, being viable apart from the mother.

So according to you, our technological ability to keep the organism alive outside the womb -- that is what "viability" means -- determines the value of human life? Is that what you're saying? Tha

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[pudge]

Well, then, tell me what you do believe.

Hm. Last person who's been so interested in my views on such issues was js7a. You wouldn't be him, by any chance, would you?

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[pudge]

What does it matter who I am?

Because if you are js7a, you are a known troll to be ignored.

All I'm saying is that I have read your conversations with others on this subject and I would rather not tell you who I am.

Shrug. Then you won't get any answers from me.

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[pudge]

Shrug. I think you're lying.

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[pudge]

I'm sorry, I didn't read your comment. I saw "I think" and stopped reading because I don't care what you think.

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[Jhon]

You must be as dense as a 'piano'.

"But those alternatives come way after the Plan B window closes. You don't want to fact the fact that you let your ideology drive your opinions of reality,"

Funny that you don't see that you are doing the very thing of which you accuse pudge. You're not much of a salsman -- er a salesman of your argument...

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[sulli]

So you oppose miscarriage, then? Not every one of these "unique human lives" will survive in any case.

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[pudge]

So you oppose miscarriage, then?

How old are you, 12? Do you really think that is a good argument? Do you really not see the difference between actively causing something to be destroyed, and it being destroyed through natural causes? Is there no difference, to you, between murder and death by natural causes?

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[Jhon]

emergency contraception

Isn't "contraception" the PREVENTION of conception? Doesn't the use of "plan b" assume that conception has taken place? If this is the case, it's not really "contraception", is it?

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[pudge]

Correct. Indeed, biologically speaking a stronger case can be made that this is an abortion, than that it is contraception. I accept that it is, really, neither, as abortion is termination of a pregnancy, and there is no pregnancy until implantation. But it's closer to termination of pregnancy than it is the prevention of conception.