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Perl Community To Buy Damian Conway?

Posted by Hemos on Sun Oct 15, 2000 02:24 PM
from the good-for-perl-6 dept.
jbc writes: "As discussed over at use Perl, the Perl community is attempting to raise US$55K in donations to support Perl überhacker Damian Conway for a year so he can devote himself to worthwhile pursuits related to Perl development. Thanks to a large donation from an as-yet-unnamed corporate donor, they're apparently already more than halfway there." Update: 10/15 11:31 PM by H : To actually give, go to the YAPC site.
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  • Re:There needs to be a fund raiser for some projec by eclectro (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:26AM
  • Cheap for the community- boon for him. by Cire LePueh (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:00AM
  • There needs to be a fund raiser for some projects by eclectro (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:00AM
  • Who is John Galt? by ^kevino$ (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:30AM
  • Re:Patrons by swb (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:34AM
  • taken from Use Perl [perl.org]:

    --

    That's an astonishingly generous offer, Elaine. Thank-you.

    I thought perhaps I should take the opportunity to explain the nature of -- and reason for -- the rush.

    YAS has not been able to accept donations for this project until its tax status was confirmed. But my department at Monash University has now gone into the planning phase for next year, and needs to know within the next week or two whether they'll have my teaching/admin services for 2001 (which they most decidedly won't if the Perl community wants me).

    So my department needs a clear indication of what I'm doing next year, which means YAS needs a clear indication of whether the community thinks "buying me out" is a worthwhile thing, and something they would actually fund (I'm not nearly egoistical enough to simply assume that the weird stuff I do is worth real money :-)

    That's what's required by next week: pledges of support. Actual cash could come (a little) later.

    Meanwhile, I've already been overwhelmed by the support that people have privately expressed for this. Whether or not the project comes together, I am deeply honoured and grateful that so many people seem to believe I would be worth "buying".

  • Re:55k? jesus fucking christ. by WigsOfOz (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @12:28PM
  • Re:vb script kiddies make more by MadPhatTim (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @12:42PM
  • Re:Patrons by Meg Thornton (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @12:42PM
  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by Ultimo (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @12:43PM
  • More Info (Score:3)

    by pudge (3605) <.gro.todhsals. .ta. .egdup.> on Monday October 16 2000, @01:44AM (#704632) Homepage Journal
    YAS has more info, see the story on use Perl [perl.org].
  • Re:Keep this in mind when you vote by pudge (Score:1) Monday October 16 2000, @02:09AM
  • Tax Deduction Secondary... by Christopher B. Brown (Score:2) Monday October 16 2000, @02:57AM
  • Individual Patrons by Christopher B. Brown (Score:2) Monday October 16 2000, @03:11AM
  • by Syberghost (10557) <syberghost.eiv@com> on Monday October 16 2000, @03:13AM (#704636) Homepage
    And since Harry Browne can't win, vote Bush!

    That's what people were saying about the Republican party circa 1850; "they can't win, vote Whig!".

    Heard from any Whig party members lately?

    The Republican party won the 1860 Presidential election because people stopped falling for that and started leaving the Whigs for the Republicans.

    Sort of like the influx of Libertarians defecting from the Republicans in recent years, or the similar defection (on a smaller scale) of Democrats to the Reform party.

    And, of course, a few Democrats joining the Libertarians, and Republicans joining the Reform party.

    Bottom line; it only takes a couple of elections to turn things around, *IF* people stop falling for this "two party system" bullshit and start voting their conscience.

    Your vote won't determine the outcome of this election, but a massive groundswell of third-party voting this time could result in a change in the 2008 elections, and that's a very important thing to remember before you go condone and endorse a party who doesn't represent your beliefs in any meaningful way.

    -
  • There's precedent for this by dodecahedron (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:00AM
  • Terminology by Chris Pimlott (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:04AM
  • Re:Wow by empesey (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:06AM
  • Re:There's precedent for this by Vassily Overveight (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:06AM
  • I want in on this. by Ravagin (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:52AM
  • What are "worthwhile pursuits?" by SpookyFish (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:07AM
  • GPL Crack..? by SubtleNuance (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @01:05PM
  • What about Larry Wall? by heroine (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @11:12AM
  • by King Babar (19862) on Sunday October 15 2000, @11:13AM (#704645) Homepage
    The Perl 6 project is underway now, and Damian has played a huge role already in the upcoming language (re)-design, as you can tell by looking through his contribution to the Perl 6 language RFCs [perl.org]. If he had his way and he most certainly should (in my opinion), Perl 6 would gain higher-order functions, a far more useful function/method definition syntax, a ton of cool object-oriented goodies that actually fit in with the perl spirit, and so on.

    I truly believe that if Damian Conway can be given a year to work on Perl 6 things and Perl in general, the community will be far better off. Now, please excuse me while I fork over my $50. :-)

  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by tweir (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @11:22AM
  • Re:Wow by Prolog-X (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @01:08PM
  • Re:Who? by Prolog-X (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @01:10PM
  • Re:This is easy by titus-g (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @01:12PM
  • Re:Great for the Perl community not for his studen by jekk (Score:2) Monday October 16 2000, @03:40AM
  • Re:But what would the $55k buy you? by codemonkey_uk (Score:2) Monday October 16 2000, @03:43AM
  • Re:Wow by mortonda (Score:1) Monday October 16 2000, @03:56AM
  • Re:Patrons by awol (Score:1) Monday October 16 2000, @05:19AM
  • Re:Great for the Perl community not for his studen by thoughtstream (Score:1) Monday October 16 2000, @06:41AM
  • This is easy by faeryman (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @09:28AM
  • Make (re)writing Perl Damian's pet project? Uhm. by joe_n_bloe (Score:1) Monday October 16 2000, @08:35AM
  • Conway by Time Doctor (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @09:28AM
  • Re:What about Larry Wall? by orwant (Score:1) Saturday October 21 2000, @04:25AM
  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by Tyndareos (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @09:37AM
  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by Apro+im (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @09:37AM
  • Re:There needs to be a fund raiser for some projec by Johnath (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:07AM
  • Wow by Lally Singh (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @09:38AM
  • Worth the price (Score:4)

    by weezel (6011) on Sunday October 15 2000, @10:07AM (#704663)
    I've been to a couple of his talks and $55k USD is easily worth it to get this guy writing perl full time.

    Who else is going to write Lingua::Romana: :Pe rligata [monash.edu.au], Quantum::Superpositions, Class:: Mul timethods [cpan.org] and Coy [cpan.org].

    This guy write the funniest, most intriguing perl modules around. And he gives really funny presentations. If you ever get a chance to see him give a lecture in person be sure not to miss it.
  • Re:Wow (Score:4)

    by gizmo_mathboy (43426) on Sunday October 15 2000, @10:07AM (#704664)
    Dr. Conway is a coding fiend. A quick look through CPAN [cpan.org] will reveal:

    Parse::RecDescent
    Coy
    Text::Balanced
    Lingua::EN::Inflect
    Quantum::Superpositions

    Just to name a few. He has also created a yet to be published module to write Perl programs in Latin (Lingua::Romana::Perligata)! On top of that he is a tireless lecturer.

    He has also written a very good book concerning OO and Perl: Object Oriented Perl [manning.com].

    In fact, during this year's Perl Conference his series of talks was jokingly referred to as "Damian TV, all Damian, all the time." It would be very helpful to have Damian devote even just 1 year full time to Perl.

    I hope this is enough to show you his value to the Perl Community.
  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by jallen02 (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:10AM
  • Re:Wow by Jason W (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:11AM
  • What happened to community development? by yositune (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:12AM
  • Brief Bio (Score:5)

    by bguilliams (68934) on Sunday October 15 2000, @10:13AM (#704668)
    Taken from the Perl.com website...

    Dr. Damian Conway is a Senior Lecturer in Computer Science and Software Engineering at Monash University (Melbourne, Australia), where he teaches object-oriented software engineering. He is an effective teacher, an accomplished writer, and the author of several popular Perl modules. He is also a semi-regular contributor to the Perl Journal. In 1998 he was the winner of the Larry Wall Award for Practical Utility for two modules (Getopt::Declare and Lingua::EN::Inflect) and in 1999 he won his second "Larry" for his Coy.pm haiku-generation module. He has just published "Object-Oriented Perl" (Manning, 1999).
  • Yes you do (Score:3)

    by Anne Marie (239347) on Sunday October 15 2000, @10:13AM (#704669)
    You BUY politicians, and politicians are people like you and me who share in humanity's common hopes and dreams. At least until they fuck it over royally through legislation or executive edict.
  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by Tyndareos (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:13AM
  • Re:Brief Bio by sampowers (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @11:26AM
  • They do by Ars-Fartsica (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @11:26AM
  • I was wondering when this would be brought up... by madmancarman (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @11:38AM
  • Re:Yes you do by jburroug (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @11:42AM
  • Re:vb script kiddies make more by rabababoa (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @12:01PM
  • Re:vb script kiddies make more by NullStream (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @12:17PM
  • Re:This is easy by faeryman (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @01:29PM
  • Great for the Perl community not for his students by recap (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @01:31PM
  • Wow Squared by shaum (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @01:37PM
  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by NYC (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @01:45PM
  • Teacher by pennyn (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @02:08PM
  • Re:Worth the price by swampa (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @02:57PM
  • Re:Brief Bio by Froggy (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @02:57PM
  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by tzanger (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @03:25PM
  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @09:41AM
  • Re:55k? jesus fucking christ. by Foogle (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @09:42AM
  • Re:Wow by perlyking (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @09:42AM
  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by AndyL (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @09:45AM
  • Patrons (Score:5)

    by Capt Dan (70955) on Sunday October 15 2000, @10:17AM (#704689) Homepage
    The concept of patron is ancient. There was a time (awhile ago) when artists and scientists were supported by rich patrons so that they could focus on their creative work.

    The modern world would be much different if it were not for the discoveries and art of these men. (if someone could reply to this message with some names of these artists and scientists, it would be much appreciated. I cannot remember any at the moment...)

    I have felt for a long time that free software development could benefit from this model.

    How many great developers are out there who have to work 8 hours a day, before coming home exhausted to fit in 2 or 3 hours of coding between dinner and bedtime?

    So here's the next point. Altough the wave of get rich quick startups that characterized the laste 90's is in decline, there are now 1000's of financially sufficent millionaire developers.

    If you are one of there people, run down to your investment counselor and find out how you could donate a couple of grand a year to Open Source development. There's probably some loophole that would make it tax exempt or a deduction. Get together with some of your millionaire friends and pick a project to sponsor. It doesn't have to be perl, but a project that you feel could benefit your interests and hopfully the interests of the community by having a full time developer(s). Go to sourceforge and find one that looks cool. Perl, linux kernel development, freenet, maybe a game engine. It's your money, but you could use it to help us all.

  • by Anne Marie (239347) on Sunday October 15 2000, @10:19AM (#704690)
    When you pledge money to public television or a thousand other "charities", you get a small gift in return, like an umbrella or a video. Does the perl community plan to continue in this tradition? I.e., for $100 I get Damien's half-eaten french toast; for $1,000 I get to play conceal&carry with ESR, and for $10,000 I get to have Larry Wall lecture me on the scriptures (especially the parts about uncovering people's nakedness)?
  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by jCaT (Score:2) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:22AM
  • vb script kiddies make more by hex1848 (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:25AM
  • Actual URL for donation pledges by Hydrophobe (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:26AM
  • $55K not a joke. by xonix7 (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:26AM
  • URL for donations (Score:3)

    by jbc (3796) on Sunday October 15 2000, @10:26AM (#704695) Homepage

    If you want to contribute to the Damian fund, you can pay online with a credit card at:

    http://registration.yapc.org/ [yapc.org]

  • Re:55k? jesus fucking christ. by joshsisk (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @10:26AM
  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by jpeach (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @03:43PM
  • ORA Perl university class by gruntvald (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @04:43PM
  • Re:The very best by szap (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @05:01PM
  • Re:What are "worthwhile pursuits?" by thoughtstream (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @05:03PM
  • Keep this in mind when you vote by Syberghost (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @05:23PM
  • Re:Worth the price by Anonymous Coed (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @05:55PM
  • Re:$55k is that all?? what a joke by veltyen (Score:1) Sunday October 15 2000, @06:23PM
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