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Comment Guys... (Score 1) 409

TCM is a far left website, I wouldn't trust anything they say, they seem out to trash anyone who's even is slightly to the right. This really isn't news, Reid, or most likely his cronies, copied the website and is using it now. Ya I can see how that would tick anyone off.

Comment Re:In some cultures being wrong is ok (Score 1) 311

well I think it's work environments more than culture. A lot of companies/government agencies promote competitiveness, and this often means feeding off of one another in the corporate chain, ie. the "shark and carp" mentalities, if your seen as wrong, your competition in the corporation will often use that to attack and use that to discredit you and any ideas you may have. So typically people can never show that they are wrong.

I do agree with thee article though, companies can be much more productive and innovative if they only did not promote such competitiveness.

Comment Re:Err no they won't (Score 1) 430

Exactly, the desktop is the one thing that's easy to upgrade and to change on a whim. Laptops are OK, but don't have the same capabilities. I'm betting the truly biggest innovation will be, once someone has a wireless video card and Monitor to go with the wireless keyboard, mouse and wireless DVD/Blu-ray/CD drive the desktop will be able to be placed anywhere and you'll be able to anywhere you like, giving you more mobility than a laptop.

Comment Re:I Want To Blow Your Mind (Score 1) 892

I do not believe that Jaynes' theory implies that exactly. As I understand it, there are particular social conditions that were once widespread that encouraged hallucinatory experiences. I would expect people to still experience hallucinations today, and they do: imaginary childhood "friends", dead relatives, and "god".

Yes they do have hallucinatory experiences but I don't see a necessary connection to Jayne's theory, and an imaginary childhood friend is defined as a hallucination? Imagination yes but not a hallucination.

I believe Ned Block's criticism was that culture somehow changed to reflect what humans were doing all along. With what we understand about the role of language in thought, this now looks like nonsense.

Really, please show me why this is nonsense? This actually make much more sense than reversing it.

Broadly speaking, yes, consciousness is a cultural construct, but so is agriculture, and the Internet.

Really?! you realize you are comparing consciousness to technologies, both are man-made, I don't see my consciousness as being man-made, sorry.

I do not find "a real chemical imbalance" to be very illuminating, even if it does imply a neurotransmitter deficiency. There are a few interesting associations with schizophrenia, but Jaynes proposes a far more useful way of looking at the condition.

I'll let wikipedia explain it;

Studies suggest that genetics, early environment, neurobiology, psychological and social processes are important contributory factors; some recreational and prescription drugs appear to cause or worsen symptoms...Increased dopamine activity in the mesolimbic pathway of the brain is consistently found in schizophrenic individuals. The mainstay of treatment is antipsychotic medication; this type of drug primarily works by suppressing dopamine activity.

In other words there is quiet a few external factors that cause it and using neurobiology to "fix it", no I'm not saying there is a cure, but that the solution is via medicine to cure it.

I do not understand this criticism at all, please elaborate.

What I'm trying to say is that "a need for external authority in decision-making" is not a very quantifiable remark, some people do need an external authority some don't. I was trying to say that something like this could be simply like a "herd mentality" I wouldn't use this as a support of Jayne's theories.

Comment Re:I Want To Blow Your Mind (Score 1) 892

I must admit that I am very confused by your post. Are you trying to say that people do not experience hallucinations?

No, what I'm saying is that every person would go through this transition where they would have auditory/visual hallucinations, and its clear that not everyone at the time, centuries ago, did.

but I haven't seen anything that can be used to dismiss it today

I have, see the following;

Block, N. (1981). Review of Julian Jayne's Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. Cognition and Brain Theory

Implying that consciousness is a cultural construct?!

Asaad G, Shapiro B. What about the bicameral mind? Am J Psychiatry 1987

Dennett, Daniel (1986). "Julian Jaynes's Software Archeology". Canadian Psychology

That auditory hallucinations played such a major role in human human mind and history is somewhat difficult to believe.

As for the transition from a bicameral world to the one we inhabit today, Jaynes discusses his idea in detail, perhaps you've forgotten it?

Well if your talking about religion, schizophrenia and the general need for external authority in decision-making as being the "left overs" of bicameralism, I would argue schizophrenia is a real chemical imbalance that has nothing to do with religion, but might have more in common with creative genius, http://www.personalityresearch.org/papers/byrd.html

And a need for external authority in decision-making, that's not a real strong argument in itself, as there are plenty of other reasons for this from even an evolutionary perspective.

Comment Re:I Want To Blow Your Mind (Score 1) 892

I have to say I read The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind 30 some years ago and found it somewhat implausible. One biggest is problem I have is that there is no clear mechanism that would allow for the two hemispheres of the brain talk to one another as it would appear in an auditory or visual hallucination. Then you have to add why doesn't it occur today? why doesn't anyone who grows up and becomes consciously aware have these auditory/visual hallucinations as they transition? Unless it was the brain evolving in a short few centuries and no longer has that ability? That's just as fantastic in my books.

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