Comment Re:Why the need to supress debate? (Score 1) 736
I can't respond to all your "claims", since you don't reference even one of those "million" people, but:
- We have direct temperature measurements going back about 150-200 years, to go further back, we use a huge number of "temperature proxies", not just tree rings, but sedimentation data, ice-core data, pollen data, etc, etc - Geologic time has very little to do with this, we *know* climate has varied in the past, for many reasons and over many timescales, but that in no way "proves" that we are not the cause of the current changes - does the fact that it has rained naturally in the past make it completely impossible for somebody pissing from his roof to piss on your head?
- I don't fully understand what you mean by the "gulf stream" quip, nobody claims we know everything, but I'm pretty sure the scientists know way way more about it than you.
- Measuring the amount of ice in the arctic is not easy, but we have been doing it quite accurately for at least 30 years (turns out the US Military was doing the measuring, but didn't share the data with scientists for a long time) - and we know enough to say that in those 30 years, and particularly in the last few years, the ice has been decreasing in ways that we are quite sure have not ever occured in historical times.
- The most recent data is *not* saying global warming has temporarily halted, that's a canard the "deniers" are spreading (the idea is that repeating a lie often enough makes it appear true). Just this point alone shows you are getting your information from very very biased sources.
And on the idiotic reference to manifold/string theories : if one of those theories had been making predictions for 150-odd years, predictions which turn out to fit the data very very well, and the other side was just shouting "blah blah I can't hear you" all the time, then they would be very much right in telling them to 'shut up'.
When you can come up with a decent, evidence-supported argument, nobody will tell you to shut op, when you come with vague FUD and thoroughly debunked idiocies, shutting up probably should probably be considered the smart option.