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Comment Re:Particularly relevant (Score 5, Insightful) 1123

I haven't read the books, but that article is crap. The entire thing just says "evolution is clearly happening, so we should reinterpret the bible to say that God just got he ball rolling." It is an exercise in altering religious views to conform to modern science, not an exercise in scientific thought. It is just arguing that we should modify religion to become a "God of the gaps", which is a silly argument indeed.

Comment Re:In the closet? Interesting choice of words (Score 4, Insightful) 1123

My experience in the community is just that no one cares unless it starts effecting your science or hypotheses. Theist or atheist, if you're good at what you do no one cares. If you go around preaching to other scientists, yeah, you're opening yourself up for ridicule. But I think that is true in any field outside of the more religious areas of the US.

Comment Re:There is nothing wrong with being spiritual (Score 1, Insightful) 1123

Free thinking expands science. Indoctrinating people (children) into ways of thinking stifles science. It is hard to break free of 18+ years of having a belief system drilled into your head.

That being said people should be able to believe what they want, but indoctrinating children or others by force is somewhat more iffy.

Comment Re:Science answers how. (Score 3, Insightful) 1123

Science can tell you "why" also, such as why the Earth is round. I don't see why can can't just leave questions unanswered and we have to make up an answer for them. Perhaps in thousands of years science will progress to the point where it is possible to answer some questions previously thought impossible. A "God of the gaps" is a silly god.

Comment More openly about religion? (Score 1) 1123

'To remove the perceived stigma, we would need to have more scientists talking openly about issues of religion, where such issues are particularly relevant to their discipline.'

How often is religion relevant to a field of science where it needs to be discussed? Really, religion is inappropriate to discuss in scientific terms, as the entire point of religion is blind faith. Science has no place in religion, just as religion has no place in science (as in, "God did it" as a valid hypothesis, not as in the scientist's personal belief structures, which they are more than entitled to and I know many scientists who are also theists).

Comment Re:Democracy needs smart people (Score 1) 1138

Yeah! All of that machine learning theory and heuristic problem solving really turned me into a Marxist! Man, thanks for pointing that out. It couldn't possibly be that, when taught critical thinking skills, someone realizes that a belief in the Earth being ~6000 years old is a particularly silly one?

Nope, vast Left wing conspiracy to indoctrinate the population. Totally much more likely.

In all of my schooling through undergraduate and (currently) graduate, in both political science and computer science, I have never heard a leftist viewpoint espoused that I need not meet after class specifically to talk about. I've had both left and right wing profs, but I only found out by talking to them about current issues after class. I'd always try to guess, but I was probably within error of chance. If anything, studying in a university has made me more conservative than when I started, as now I have the critical thinking skills and background knowledge to know how naieve and foolish my old views were.

This Marxist myth is silly and makes those on the Right who espouse it look like tin foil hat nutjobs. Maybe it was true in the 60s, I don't know. But it certainly isn't now.

Comment Re:Ok, but (Score 1) 1138

Except for that IQ tests are largely crap, I mostly agree with your point. They are measuring something that seems to be correlated with intelligence, but do not measure intelligence directly, thus there are going to outliers of people who just aren't good at whatever the IQ test is measuring, but excellent at other things (Savants might be an example here).

Also, throwing numbers around is largely meaningless, as the numbers are only valid when compared to others numbers in relatively small cultural groups. Things like primary language, the school's curriculum, interactions with objects, etc. will all change one's IQ score.

That being said, I think you are correct that some people just can't hack some of the higher level stuff, but I disagree with how black and white you make it seem.

Comment Re:Think about what you are asking (Score 1) 352

Generally you want the other pair of eyes to also be an expert in your field, so they can criticize your work. If bad data is released into the wild, it is very hard to get back and make sure nothing gets published or released with it.

Also, if money was what researchers were after there are plenty of other fields where you can make tons more money for much less work.

You would be removing the main incentive for researchers; prestige amongst their peers and a feeling of having contributed to the furthering of human knowledge by not allowing them to publish their own data sets. You would also be removing many of the checks and balances internal to the system that help weed out a lot of crap.

Also, I don't get why "release when published" is so crazy. Do you go down to Washington and demand that your Senate rep opens up Word on his computer to show you the half completed/fleshed out draft of the bill he was working on? Do you want to go into the police station and demand to know their list of informants and undercover cops because they are paid with public money? Anything with the military?

Your position is unreasonable and counterproductive.

Comment Re:Focus? (Score 1) 344

I call at least slightly bogus on that "report". I'm not trying to be an apologist for some of the bone headed mistakes in the IPCC (the WWF references are pretty inexcusable), but "Working Paper" doesn't mean that it hasn't been published. An alternative (and very European) definition is synonymous with "technical report", usually by some government institution.

While these may not be peer reviewed, despite what the IPCC originally said, they aren't "papers in progress" or "drafts".

Just a little nitpick in her article. I would also like her to publish a full list of the 1/3 of the the claims for others to check her work, until then, I see a handful of things she has posted on the web that I agree that many are dubious.

However, most of them are from the smaller sections of the report that were more addendums than anything else. The main information is still solid. Working group 1, by far the largest section of the report and containing almost all of the important information and findings, scored As and Bs on her "report card" for every chapter.

Comment Re:Think about what you are asking (Score 1) 352

Generally by the time publication comes around, you've already prepared your data for presentation because you have a good idea whether or not the reviewers are going to ask for your raw data/processing code/whatnot. That varies depending on the data set and the reviewers.

The biggest part that is the problem of releasing the data right away is because you don't know if the data is crap without a lot of vetting. Once and a while, it doesn't get caught until a fresh pair of eyes (reviewers) take a look at it and pick up on something maybe your team hasn't thought of.

The other problem is then you would create a whole industry of research snipers who would poach papers from researchers, thus eliminating the benefits of gathering huge, difficult to collect data sets. There would be no incentive to spend 10 years gathering data, only to have your research sniped as you are writing up your papers.

Sure, the data belongs to the people (and rightfully so, information should be free), but you have to give some incentive to researchers who are already severely underpaid and overworked to painstakingly collect data. Pretty much the only thing they have is recognition.

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