I would spend 10 years in prison for "mererly" $1 million dollars. It would be worth it for me. I would make more money that way than in working like a slave for for less money in non-prison employment. I wish I had the opportunity.

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I need not say more. Your logic has vindicated my arguments and has nullified your +5 Insightful moderation.

According to the people who replied to me, it's about having the intelligence and social skills to succeed in life. As more than one person told me; people who don't lie are socially dysfunctional.

Along with "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room", and "Pigs at the Trough", you might want to try The Corporation and War is a Racket. There's tons of historical and statistical evidence to prove that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" as it applies to business and the board room. It amazes me that there are so many apologists out there.

I read the article, and I know that he blamed his conscious and continual lies and theft on "mental illness". It's interesting that he was sane enough to be able to realize that his mental illness was primarily benefiting himself and hurting other people. I don't see any leadership here.

The person is being a Troll and he got modded +5 Informative. I got modded -1 Troll. The vast majority of the comments here (towards me at least) have been about how people lie, cheat and steal are well socialized, and how it's my fault that I am not able to fit in. If you call my observations "jealous" then either I am totally devoid of reality and completely out of my mind, or the vast majority of people have little sense of morality, and are completely devoid of logic.

1st point I agree with (there are quantitative and qualitative differences for ordinary people).

2nd point doesn't seem relevant here. Social conventions, no matter how they appear, are not necessarily immoral, dishonest or even irrational. In my case I am more likely to want to say "hello" to someone, just out of politeness. Many people often bow there heads when they see me coming (although there's a lot of variability in people).

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I think I know the rules, or at least some of them. Some I find distasteful (i.e. lying and gossip and stealing are the big ones for me. And yes most everybody steals, though it is more likely to be a can of coke or a staple-remover gadget than a car or a television set. Most people are more irritating than dangerous).

As far as trying to change, I can't see that happening. In many respects I would like to change, but psychiatry or psychology can't substantially change people. Lithium may make me more relaxed around assholes at work, but it won't make me fit in. A psychologist may be able to teach me how to use body language etc to help me better communicate with people, but really, (for example) it's like going to something like Alcoholics Anonymous or going on a diet; it just doesn't work in the long run. No matter how much education or support people have, they will eventually give in to the temptation to be themselves.

Yes, many people have told me that I have a "bad attitude", primarily supervisors. I am unable to understand how I can have a "good attitude" like yourself. In fact, many human resources people and job recruiters just assume I have a bad attitude because I can't seem to find and keep a job.

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Like everything else you've said, it makes no sense (except for the part where you claim to have had a successful career in the corporate world; that I can believe). Unlike you I won't tell you to "fuck you" because it doesn't seem right. I wish I could think like you and be successful.

So far most of the replies to my comments are people making things up about me like this;

I never claimed to be honourable, not here nor in the workforce. I figured here (on Slashdot) some people may appreciate my comments (in the workforce I've learned to keep quiet except to say "I agree", and "yes boss" and "how high"). I have never claimed to be persecuted either. In terms of honourable and persecuted, I remember one time in grade six many people in the class room were harassing somebody, and the teacher asked for those people to stand up. One of the students told me to stand up, but the teacher told me to sit down. I guess I figured because I didn't try to help this harassed person out I wasn't being Honorable. Unfortunately there are many other areas in my life were I have failed to be honourable as well. For this reason I would never claim to be honourable. On the other hand, I wouldn't go out of my way to be dishonourable.

I guess I've never had the intelligence to understand how being honest is "an excessive moral code" and how not wanting to hurt people is bad. In fact I've always found it difficult to lie. I've found it difficult to be honest at times as well, but I've never been able to understand why being honest and moral is such an issue with people. I remember one time somebody called me a "goody two shoes", I never thought of myself that way, but it appears that compared to most people I am.

I've never made an issue of it. In fact one time when I even mentioned the fact that I think thinks should be done differently I could tell their was a very negative attitude in the room towards me. Later that month one person even deliberately dumped a can of waste oil into the earth to see my reaction. I said nothing, and I did nothing, because I wasn't interested in having any accidents happen to me at work. I eventually quit that job, but I probably would have been fired anyways (the Foreman was very vocal about the fact that he didn't like me). I suppose it would be natural for people to incorrectly blame me for being disliked by my foreman, but when he was sick off work things seemed so very much nicer, and I tend to work better when people don't make me nervous.

It's been said that I also have poor communication skills. In actuality I don't remember anybody asking me for an opinion, much less on how they look. If I were asked I would tell them the truth. If the truth were to be negative I would be as tactful as possible. With me telling somebody they were ugly and explaining to them how they can make themselves appear better looking, or explaining how people who judge people by looks are stupid and shallow is far better than telling an ugly person that they are beautiful.

I know one person who said that everybody looks down and gossips about a person at work who has body odor. I asked if anybody told him the truth about his body odor and he said no. Apparently nobody wants to be offensive, but instead would rather socialize with each other and gossip. I am not intellectually capable of understanding how dishonesty is good. You are wasting your time trying to explain it too me.

Yeah, I've heard it before. Almost everybody says I'm crazy. Although I don't see how seeking "professional help" will turn me into a liar. It seems to be more of a personality trait than something you can easily be conditioned to learn. I've got quite a lot of social science education and I'm very familiar with the biology of how the brain works; I've yet to see any type of psychiatric drug that can make people lie and steal and cheat like normal people do.

I'm only aware of me, and some hypocrites. It's obvious that I'm the social deviant here.

Yes I already know I am socially disfunctional. People have told me before that I should lie on my resume and use "friends" as phony references like everybody else, but I can't bring myself to do it.

I spend all my time trying to work when I am at work. I never have time to socialize with people. Of course, asking a Manager (who terminates me) for a reference doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't generally tend to quit jobs. In reality, I generally don't get jobs that require more than one (short) interview. I almost never make it to the qualification tests (of the interview process). One recruiter said she will have me do the test at home (over the Internet), when I got home I phoned her and told her that I never received the login information. She told me she will email it to me. I phoned again and again she said she will email it to me. I went back to the company and said I will do the test on their computers. They said it's better if I did it at home, so I went home and waited for the email. I'm still waiting. This is how most of my interviews go. When they ask me why I've been out of work so long I tell them it is because I was unable to find a job. People say I should lie about this, but I can't bring myself to be dishonest. Pretty much all of my interviews go like this. If I could figure out what I'm doing wrong (without having to lie) it would be helpful. Unfortunately the most lucid comment I received from an HR person was "We'll keep in touch". I've never heard from her since.

One employer (the HR person) said that I was "laid off" because of poor job performance, but he refused to give me details. I do remember on the last week of work a quality control person told me that I was working too fast and that I should slow down so that I wouldn't have to put things on the floor. I told the senior employee who trained me on the equipment and who was working with me that we had to follow the company rules and not create safety hazards. The person started telling me that if I'm tired I should go work on another machine. He was smiling and said it's OK if you can't handle the work. I said I'm not tired. He unexpectedly left for half an hour and then came back. He was smiling more than usual and very accommodating. The next day I was "laid off" because of poor performance reviews. I don't have the social intelligence to know what I did wrong. Too bad the HR department refused to tell me, because maybe that information could have helped me become less socially dysfunctional. In fact most of the jobs that I was terminated from I am not even aware as to what I did wrong or how I could have made things better (aside from lying, or involving myself in other socialization techniques that I find too morally reprehensible to involve myself in).

Your being inconsistent in your messages. First you say honesty is for the socially dysfunctional, and now you say "people value my honesty". I'm starting to doubt how honest you actually are, especially considering the fact that you appear to be successful in the job market. On the other hand, I think what you mean to say is that people value your ability to make yourself and the company look good, which has nothing to do with honesty (but obviously I don't really know, just sayin'...).

You're confabulating here. I never disobeyed anybody. Sometimes I even go along with breaking some rules if it doesn't seem too immoral and if it makes getting along with people seem easier (like in the above example, I was breaking the rules until QC warned me not to). Same as in the call centre, I always obeyed the rules and that's why my "metrics" were so poor. When I asked people how they get such good metrics they said it was because they don't do what they were trained to do, but instead lie and cheat. They were never told to lie by the Management, but they were rewarded for lying by getting promotions and pay raises and other rewards. When I asked Management about this I was told that my perceptions were incorrect. In fact various supervisors from the company said I had poor English and communication skills. Perhaps my poor communication skills and dysfunctional social skills lead me to develop false beliefs. But at least I didn't urinate on the lavatory floor like some people did, or steel people's lunch from the fridge, or steal a computer from one of the desks, or steal the chairs in the lobby. I'm not sure who did the steeling or urinating, but I can presume they became very successful in the company, perhaps getting into executive positions. That's another job that I was terminated from. Unfortunately I don't have any good references their either, because of my poor socialization skills.

You seem to of the dishonest type, because you are claiming that I don't co-operate with people even though I never said that I don't. I have always gone out of my way to help other people in the company. If I notice somebody is doing something incorrectly I always offer to teach them to do things better. If they don't want my help then I don't force it upon them. Also, if people ask for help then I always try to accommodate. Sometimes it's difficult for me though when different people tell me contradictory things to do. For example some people tell me to work fast and some tell me to work slow, and usually at least one person gets offended when I have to choose who to believe. The shit starts rolling down hill from there.

Again you're contradicting yourself. Most people who say things like "clue for you" tend to be people who are not yet Managers, but will be in the next few months. I wish you (a presumptuous) congratulations on your future promotion. Actually, by saying that most people are honest you are not only showing your ignorance but your dishonesty as well. Even a moderately intelligent person without a social science background will intuitively know that most people lie on a consistent basis. The fact that you are contradicting your earlier statement does not help your cause (unless you are just being a Troll).

The science says that people who become executives tend to have psychopathic personalities. It seems like you are just going out of your way to demonize me (because of my observations) and rationalize your own lifestyle. It's sad but true, being dishonest is socially functional. The fact that you are playing games with me here indicates that you are probably successful in playing games in the corporate world as well.

I have not read the book, etc. It was a rhetorical question. I could probably guess at the answers and probably be pretty accurate when I find out the actual facts. Some things are too predictable.

Yes I am a Loser. People like you remind me of it all the time. You are wrong however in stating (or implying) that your opinion is in the minority. You are also wrong by stating that I am jealous. I'm more interested in why people like yourself will call me a Loser and treat me like shit. I don't really care if you think it's OK that criminals should be given good paying jobs. I'm more interested in knowing why people like you think that criminals should be given good paying jobs over honest people who can have the personality traits of honesty. Every large company will spend thousands of dollars making sure they hire the right people. They make sure that people don't smoke marijuana for example, and they check their Facebook accounts to find out what their sexual practices are, who there friends are etc. It amazes me that out of all the millions of people to choose from, criminals tend to be the ones who are chosen for the high paying leadership roles, and yet leaders who show their leadership by not stealing or submitting to peer pressure often get terminated from jobs as trouble-makers or people who are not "team players".

I know what your response is going to be; "I never said that...". and "You don't know me...". Yes I know you. I've been dealing with people like you all my life. You think that people who find something wrong with criminals and cheaters are "jealous". You spin things to make people of your own ilk look good. You get up-modded for your attitude and your behavior on forums like Slashdot, and in the real world people like you get promotions and pay raises.

Interesting how people (almost) always label me as socially dysfunctional because I don't lie (or cheat and steal). Interesting also how people don't think that there is anything wrong with a person who abuses his position of authority and profits from that abuse and is later rewarded with a job, and people like you claim there is nothing wrong. I've been turned down jobs because I didn't have any good references. Employers don't like me because I tend to want to follow the rules (in a chemical plant I worked at people got upset because I didn't want to dump chemicals down the drain, at a call center job people got upset because I didn't lie to the customers to get them off the phone, etc and so on). I'm very anti-social that way, and when I try to be dishonest like everybody else it makes me feel so physically and psychologically uncomfortable that I can't keep it up. People like this executive certainly have the right psychological make-up to succeed in life.

The last person who made a remark similar to yours got a +5 Insightful moderation. I've seen the same type of thing at work; people that I've "seen" stealing and cheating get promoted, while I end up getting terminated. I guess maybe it's my inability to demonize nice and honest people as being anti-social that will also make me into a loser with a bad attitude. It is my inability to value shrewd business practices that will keep people like me unemployed or marginally employed, while people like this crook will always be gainfully employed in very high paying jobs. They are certainly a lot smarter than I am.

Everything that I've read about the U.S. penal system indicates the exact opposite. Things have been getting much worse for people in U.S. prisons over the last 20 years, and the trend continues. His is the exceptional case. Most prisoners can't afford to get PhDs. I wonder where he got the money and found the time for education like that (a PhD no less!); most prison jobs pay slavery wages.

I'd like to know why he was in prison if he was so benevolent to the FBI and so harmful to the evil-doers in his company. Most criminals only tend to become remorseful after they've been caught. I'd also like to know how he could afford to get a Phd. I'd also like to know how he could have gotten job references from the company that he squealed about. I've got dozens of other unanswered questions.