If I remember my history correctly, King Canute drowned on that occasion. Not a good omen for us, if your simile is accurate.

The actual scientists are on both sides in this debate. Each side insists that they can disregard the opinions of the other side.

It is much more politics than science for both sides. That will continue until reality matches either one or the other. So far, it doesn't match either one.

Time to continue the research.

I think what you made is urea and a few simple amines. this has been done repeatedly since the 1950's There is quite a lot of argument about whether it could ever lead to RNA, or not. (So far the Or Not side is winning.) The nucleotides are formed in a vacuum with UV light. They have been found in several interstellar clouds (Panspermia anyone?)

Sorry but that doesn't make you a god, or even a chemist. It does mean that you have made a little bit of fertilizer. The great problem is of course to make the RNA into strands that will self fold to produce active enzymes. That hasn't happened yet anywhere. Let us know if you succeed.

It's easy to reproduce the evidence.

First, find a large interstellar dust cloud. "The Earth was without form, and Void, and Darkness was upon the face of the Deep."

Second, Organize it so that a planet is formed at the proper distance from the new star, with the proper controls so that a stable climate can form. (Current analysis of planets suggest that this will require the planet to have a large moon. Otherwise, solar tides will over a span of several tens of millions of years create a large amount of precession that will cause the climate to vary too widely over the whole planet for the survival of anything larger than a bacterium. This is not conclusive yet, but is tending that way.)

Third, allow separation of components to occur. "and God separated the waters above from the waters beneath" This is a natural process, and you should only need to check that it is done. "And God saw that it was good".

Fourth, allow/encourage life to begin.

Fifth, allow/encourage life to expand, first in the oceans, later on Land. While the Bible is silent on this, Geology indicates that this is when a breathable atmosphere forms.

Sixth, allow/encourage life to diversify on land, finally creating something that looks and acts more or less human. How you create these things is something that the Bible is silent on. Many religious philosophers espouse the view that it is some kind of magic. that saying a word did it. But, what the Bible actually says is that God said something would happen, it did happen, then God looked at it and found that it met his expectations. Once again, while science can disprove the assertions of some religious philosophers, it doesn't disprove what little the Bible actually says about the process.

Now, sit back and contemplate it all. (That's the Seventh Day)

This should only take a little less than a half a dozen Billion years or so. If you can change reference frames easily, and if you have sufficient computation and physical resources available, you can pass the whole thing off in a single week, relative time. (The Bible in several places mentions that God is in a different Reference Frame than we are.)

If you can do that, then you will have gained enough experience to look and see if something similar happened here on earth. Until you can do that, then no controlled experiment is possible that can make that determination. That means that what you espouse isn't science. It's really just Philosophy that makes dozens of unproven and probably dozens of other unprovable assumptions.

Finally, I find it interesting that the Bible order of Creation and that found by Paleontologists is so similar. Most other creation myths (Greek, Mayan, Egyptian, Indian, Norse, and so forth) don't have nearly the same order as what we have found. For this, please remember that what the King James and other English translations give as "Great Whales" is actually "Great Serpents", and would fit quite nicely with the Jurassic to Cretaceous periods. Also, "Animals" in the original language only refers to Mammals.

Sorry but the Bible and Science don't actually disagree on what happened. Only on Who. As the Bible gives no information on How, while the science answers mainly on How, I am quite willing to accept the scientific explanation, with some reservations. I believe that there are still unanswered questions. Darwin's explanation can't explain the paleontological facts of punctuated equilibrium that the fossil record shows. Survival of the Fittest can however explain the long periods of relative stasis in the Fossil Record. But, when the changes happen, they apparently happen quite fast. Why? We really don't know.

This just means that there is more science to be done. That's good news. More to learn is always good.

What little I have seen of 'Creationist Science' is not very good. It just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Stand up to scrutiny it must. The goal of any Scientist should be to tear down if possible, ANY accepted standard, and to propose a replacement. I think that a replacement (or partial replacement) for the 'Survival of the Fittest' will happen, and seems to be happening. Darwin expected to have that happen, so I guess that in this I am only agreeing with Darwin. (How droll!)

Look at how long it took Geologists to accept that Wagner was right about Continental Drift. Biology is in for something rather like that over the next 20 years. It should be exciting.

We can almost make a simple bacteria right now, but we still can't make it from scratch, without interfering in the process. With time, we should get better, but will we be able to just put the parts in a tube and watch it begin to live? I hope so, but I have doubts about it too.

Yes, there is still a lot of science to be done.

For students younger than College age, supervision is needed in the classroom. What was told here was that the Teacher had trouble monitoring the students, and so avoided the problem by removing the tool. For teachers without the proper background or without the proper tools, this would be a good approach.

What the tablets (or netbooks or whatever) need is to have the teacher able to monitor what programs are running, and shut down any non-educational ones. That vital piece of the puzzle was apparently lacking. Letting the kids just use the tablets without any monitoring is going to be an epic FAIL. The problem came from up the IT food chain in the School District.

This problem is not really a new one. When I was in school, it was common for a student to slip a comic book into his/her textbook to read during study time. A simple blank piece of paper also works, if you have a pencil or pen. (Remember passing notes in Jr High and High School. It hasn't stopped, just gone more high tech.) My Wife, a remedial reading teacher in a Jr. High school, confiscates several cell phones each semester for texting in class. The phones are turned into the office, and the parents have to come and pick them up.

Tablets are really just one more distraction if they are not locked down.

Models are really just guesses. To have any validity, they need to be checked against what really happens. If they don't give results to match, then they need to be reworked. Often with different assumptions.

It is possible to map any possible set of points to a graph with any of a nearly unliimited set of models. Having the model then successfully predict a future set of points is what makes the model valid. Predicting the past is easy. Predicting the future is hard.

Many of the climate models are so complex that the modelers are not even aware of what the all the model variables are. Some of the models are only correct after various adjustments are made on every new data point. In physics, this is referred to as having a 'fudge factor' in the model. A fudge factor is the different between what the model predicted and what you observed. when added to the model output, it corrects the model to account for the new data point. Most models require a new fudge factor for each new data point.

It's not new, it has been with us in science for as long as we have had science. It only really means that the modelers don't understand the process that is being modeled. That means that only a fool would believe the outputs.

I hope that you aren't basing your national policy on the output of these models. The good results are usually not any better than the bad ones.

But, you shouldn't worry a whole lot, according to the models run in the 1970's we all froze to death ten years ago anyway.

No, the overall Earth ecosystem doesn't care about per capita. It only matters what the totals are. The totals are that China burns more stuff than the US does. Also, the US grows more carbon containing stuff than China does. (That is not included in the graphs, trees and such.) This is a function of arable land area. Population doesn't even enter into it. That means we put less in the air, and take more out of it. Of stuff we don't seem to want in it ( CO2), that is.

Canada also burns less than China does, and also grows more trees and bushes and other plant matter than china does too.

Why can't supposed Geeks understand simple addition and multiplication? I realize he is preaching his religion, but it's not coming across as anything but brain dead.

The infrastructure isn't there yet. But, with electrified roads, and a Google type autodriver, you could just get in and let the car drive you to your destination. I would want to schedule 3 or 4 stops along the way.

there are several ways to electrify the roads. The simplest would be to have a rail trolley like the trains in France use. Then, just run a power line along one lane of any freeway. You car will draw power directly from the power line. You will literally NEVER have to stop for gas. A system like this could be installed within 3 years, coast to coast and north to south. The biggest problem is getting the cars to have the trolley system. That would take the addition of a lift. but, trains in europe have been using the same system for over 30 years now. It works.

Perhaps less costly would be to electrify the rail lines, and just load your car onto a flatbed, then either stay in the car, or get in a passenger car on the train.

Oh, you are wrong about the cost of catanary lines for railroad tracks. There are already poles and signal lines up all along the tracks. It's really just the cost of stringing the wire. It would take less than a year and probably less than $10 Billion to make the switch. More expensive would be retrofitting the locomotives to fully electric. However, for the true high speed rail they are using in Europe and Asia, our tracks aren't built for the speed. We use trains that go less than half the speed. (70 verses 150 MPH). Whole rail lines would have to have all the curves relaid. Different slopes, different bracing, perhaps different spacing, different radii, there is a need for a lot of engineering there.

Compared to the cost of changing the track, the cost of overhead lines is minor. We have of course changed out the tracks and relaid the curves before. A couple of times in fact. it takes about a decade to do it. We went from light gage rails to heavy gage rails, then from narrow track to wide track. For the track, this is just one more change.

The real problem is to convince the railroads to do it. We can't right now. Federal rules are designed to promote trucks and discourage trains for cargo. That is union driven. The Teamsters are already mad as wet hens about the cost advantages of rail over road travel as it is. If the railroads thought they could recapture a bunch of the passenger travel from the Airlines, and if they could take back more of the cargo traffic from the truckers, they would do it. As I said, it would take around a decade, and it would be a pay as you go type system.

The Government would have to support an increase in the power grid to add the additional load. 3 or 4 large reactors should do it.

So, how about it. If you could go from Las Vegas to Virgina in half the time that it will take you to drive, and for half the cost, would you?

Flying would still take half the time, but that is less and less important as the distances are lessened.

And, you are correct, this will be much more successful in higher density areas. Along the east coast from Virginia to Maine is a no brainer. Same with California from San Diego up to Sacramento, and over to Las Vegas.

Perhaps a New York to Albany to Chicago by way of Pittsburgh and Detroit line.

Those will probably be the initial big money routes.

Similar routes from LA to Las Vegas and from Phoenix to Tucson, then pushing west to LA have been proposed for a couple of decades now. Nevada almost paid for a LA to LV line twenty years ago, but backed out at the last minute. They wanted to make it easier to gamble in Vegas than in the California Indian casinos.

So far, no group has been willing or able to put up a couple of Billion to do it. Arizona almost did the Phoenix-Tucson tie five years ago, but the budget crash happened and killed that. A half hour between downtown to downtown would mean that a lot more people would be able to live along that corridor and work at either end. It would pay for itself over a ten year period. But, not this decade. There are now other priorities.

See, it can be done. It isn't a question of technology, or even of economics. It's much more a question of politics. These networks aren't built a nation at a time, it's more a question of a line at a time.

It's been that way for over 30 years now. 30 years and waiting.

Hamsters work, if you have enough of them, and if you are not addicted to speed.

Imagine the look of a 10,000 Hamster roadster! That would be impressive!

I wonder how many miles per ton of seed you would get? You could probably fertilize the entire neighborhood before you even got all the way down the block!

On a completely different topic, there is a group that is trying to get permission to build a Thorium powered sports car. It gets supposedly around 150,000 KMPKG (Km/Kg of fuel), and only needs a modest particle accelerator. They are projecting a cost of around $5,000.00 for the 200 KW power plant when it reaches mass production. Just add an electric vehicle. The thing is not much more radioactive than a standard university Nuclear Howitzer (a source of Alpha particles for experiments, not a weapon). It is steel encased, with a lead shield. Weighs around a Ton, only a little heavier than an old V8 twin four barrel muscle car engine (think Mach II Mustang). It should be able to go into immediate production, right after they get NRC approval. There is supposed to be almost no radioactive by-products. So write your Congresscritter.

See more about this at any of the following:

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/09/19/us-company-developing-radioactive-steam-powered-car-engine/
http://wardsauto.com/ar/thorium_power_car_110811/
http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/08/inventor-working-on-thorium-po.html

Or, you could just let Google do the walking.

I love the line that "The car will wear out before you need to refuel." I think Yugo tried that a some years ago, but it didn't work out too well for them.

I have also seen a wind powered car that can go over 70 MPH in a good stiff breeze. It was on the road in Michigan in the mid 1970's. It was cool. It looked like a three wheeled glider with no wings or elevators, and a big eight foot tall arch where the wings should be. It did best in a crosswind, which that part of Michigan always has, so your dreams can still live.

See, all of these are possible. Except for a people carrying Hamstermobile, all of these are being worked on, or have already been done. And, I have seen concept hamtermobiles, though they could only carry a couple of ounces of cargo/riders, as they only used a single hamster.

The Hamster concept still needs scaling up.

Cost is still too expensive, though the cost has come down an order of magnitude or two.

But yes, getting the pollution off planet is a good long term idea. After all, on the Moon, there is no ecology to damage. There is even less in orbit than on the moon. We don't want to hurt the rocks feelings, now, do we?

One problem though, the fuel supply for this orbital solar thing is only good for around 5 Billion Years. It may already be hitting it's Hubbart peak. After all, according to Astronomers and other Respected Scientists, it's already half used up. There also seems to be an idea of Solar Warming floating around out there.

Any ideas? Shouldn't we already be looking for another star?

I like the Hamster wheel idea. It might just work with fewer environmental negatives than the others have. Hamster can get by on yard waste. How well do Hamsters scale?

If it turns out that it isn't a good idea, we can always feed the hamsters to dogs and then eat the dogs like the Chinese do.

This 'DeRegulation you so fear and hate is not what you think it is.

The Government didn't stop regulating. They haven't done that in the Financial markets since 1912. The Government didn't stop regulating the Mining industry. They haven't done that since the early 1920's. The Government didn't stop regulating telecoms or any of the other monopolies.

What they did was to let the fox guard the henhouse. The Fed is after all a private company run by a few large banks. It should be no surprise that they act to support those same large banks. The fed is in fact overseen by people from the same large banks.

Much the same is true of the Stock Markets and the equities exchanges. Who are the Regulators? Bernie Madoff was one once. Doesn't that give you a nice warm feeling? He was watching out for you. Just like Ken Lay once did.

The same is true for most monopolies. When Microsoft was convicted of antitrust violation under Bush (the trial was started under Clinton), Microsoft was allowed to write the settlement they wanted. Before you start to go and Bushbash, remember that six years earlier, the same thing happened under Clinton. Both sides are equally at fault.

Who regulates the railroads? Railroad executives who are on temporary loan to the Government. Who regulates the Medical field? The Doctors Union (AMA) supplies people to the Federal Government.

The problem isn't that there is no regulation, or that it has been somehow disabled. The problem is in how it is being implemented. Sorry, but we have had that problem all the way back to the Grant Administration in 1868.

The Stock Market was regulated when it crashed in 1929. It just wasn't regulated well. The Banks were regulated in 1930 when so many failed, they just weren't regulated well. The Electrical Energy Markets weren't unregulated when the Enron manipulation caused the collapse of the energy availability market in 2001, it just wasn't regulated well. The Housing Mortgage Market wasn't unregulated when it collapsed in 2009, it just wasn't regulated well.

Some of these were the result of action by the regulated organizations, some were the result of large players who knew what the results would be, and some were the results of acts of Congress. Some were "D. All of the above."

Do you see a pattern here? Perhaps we should consider having someone other than industry insiders or Congressional profit takers doing the regulating?

And so it goes. The Fox really is the Hen house guard. And no one is held responsible.

I think you have Ron Paul confused with Barak Obama. They have different views.

Ron Paul is the one who thinks that half of the government should be abolished. No, not the defense department, though he would like to pare it down to the size that Eisenhower wanted, basically just the sargents and officers (Who will spend most peacetime playing insipid games while the sargents really run the Army like they always do), with a small core of soldiers for the officers to command for the Army, and keep the Navy, though about a third of the ships could be just placed in storage. Air Force about half way between Army and Navy. Marines, they are part of the Navy.

No, it's the rest of the government he would like to be rid of, The IRS, the Welfare, Education and such like departments. Anything that doesn't pay for itself. He believes that around half of what the Federal Government does is unconstitutional. That half is what he really wants to eliminate. He would have no trouble achieving or surpassing President Obama's goal of eliminating 1.4 Trillion Dollars from the Federal Governments budget. He would probably eliminate twice that.

If any of that is wise is another question entirely. So also is the question of if he could actually DO any of it.

Barak Obama on the other hand wants to expand entitlements (Money the Government promises to give people and corporations). He is the candidate that believes that when you are in debt, the way to get out of debt is to spend more money. After all, -1-1=2 right? To be honest, he probably learned this sort of math in the Senate. That is how Senators seem to think. It doesn't appear to matter which Party they officially belong to.

Also, to continue to be honest, Barak Obama like George Bush (2) before him has most of his problems stemming from action outside the US, or from acts of Congress. Like Bush, he is more a victim of the Pelosi-Reid congress than anything else. Presidents get blamed for everything, and they appear to have a great deal of power, but reality is that they mostly respond to external events and are charged with implementing whatever the House of Representatives and the Senate can sort of agree on saying should be done.

Sorry, that is the job description according to the US Constitution. The President can push and cajole and plead and bargain, but can't just spend arbitrarily or pass their own laws or programs. A US President is much more a COO than a CEO. A President is more a manager than an autocrat. That doesn't mean that some of them don't act like autocrats or even Kings (Andrew Jackson comes to mind). Both the best and worst Presidents appear to have been in office in the 1800s, no matter what Glen Beck says.

No, Barak Obama's presidency is really just about what the Pelosi-Reid Congress said to do. It takes a little over a year for the changes in congress to take effect. So, we will see the effects of the Bohner-Reid Congress by next summer. But, no President in the US ever has a really free hand. The press of course ignores this, and the majority of citizens don't even know it. After all, how many do you think have ever read the US Constitution? Of those, how many do you think understood it? If we take the comments here on Slashdot as typical for the population as a whole, the answers to both questions fall somewhere between very few and none.

However, for the purposes of the actual header for this fine but pointless debate, Barak Obama, definitely. He is running. On the other side, Mitt Romney, as the assumed future victor for the Republicans. The others all seem to be self destructing. Except Perry, who having already self destructing is now trying to destroy everyone else.

Perhaps Hermann Cain too. He sounds interesting. Maybe not credible, but interesting. Sort of like Joe Biden that way, though not wrong as often.

Any of the others who are declared would be nice.

Maybe even Sarah Palin (Yeah, I know she's not even running, but, Obama campaigned mostly against George Bush when HE (Bush) wasn't even running. After that, why should we be surprised that Barak Obama doesn't look like he knows what he is doing? He didn't even know who he was running against three years ago. We saw what we where getting before we ever got it, so we got what we wanted. Don't let any Democrat complain about Obama. They saw what they were getting long before they got it. That was what they wanted. There have been no surprises in this Presidency!) Yes, Sarah would be interesting and educational. Most Slashdotters only know about her from late night comics and journalists who only listen to and quote late night comics. (That is more of them than you might think. a surprising number of them only really listen to people at their cocktail parties and some even just make stuff up.) Slashdot readers might be surprised to find what she really says. It's not what we are told. Kind of like those who 20 years ago thought they knew all about then Vice President Dan Quayle and his statements, but what they thought were Quayle quotes were really Jay Leno quotes. Often Politics is the art of misleading the stupid. (Yes, that would be you!)

From my perspective, her husband, Mr. Palin, would be even better. An Iditarod winner, a major salmon fisherman and a world class snowmobiler. That's better than ANY politician to me.

What I'd really like to know is when can we get something like this secure phone at Verizon?

Of course, then we would need a secure Market..

No, read the Article. They used methane to grow the diamond films, sort of like the gaseous diffusion they use to grow semiconductor layers in Silicone.

That deposits the Carbon one atom at a time. It's not micro, Nano, Pico or even Exo. It's much smaller than that. We don't have prefix's for that level of smallness. It's Atomic.