Plaid of course

Interesting. My jobs then paid twice minimum wage. At Michigan tech now you could make it working at twice min wage, but yes it's harder. There are states where school is cheaper than that though. of course this doesn't change the point that i may not be a good value exchange. But I think it's better and just as manageable to get the 4 year ba than the 1 or 2 year associates. Perhaps a combo is the best way ...

Yes. How do I measure this? (I know I know, here's my geek card)

I use speed test and find that my speeds with AT&T and wifi at home (century link DSL) both give 4.5 Mbps. I don't use it for much more than streaming and surfing and am happy with it. What's interesting is that the table shows far worse performance for both which makes me question how accurate speed test is.

I posted above but with respect to state schools it not. I witness thousands do it every year in my city of half a million.

Have things changed so much in education that this is astounding? I went to va tech (in state) and paid for it and living out of summer job cash as did most of the other engineering students with whom I attended in the late eighties (cool story bro) (tuition was like $2500 per year iirc). Even if the tuition costs have tripled I can't imagine that it's that hard to live of the economy or summer in more lucrative places to save ahead. Va tech at the time was a top twenty overall engineering school .... Unm now is not more expensive than that for undergrad so if you go to public in state schools it's easy and cheap to get bs degrees from four year colleges in the us (and yes, it's hard not to see that and chuckle). With any of those programs you get out of it what you put in to it, as with any degree. I am not promoting four year degrees as necessary or good value inherently, but do intend to compare $3000 for an associate's degree with $10000 for a BS as in favor of the BS for students wanting to be in technical fields and pursue knowledge as sport.

Hmmm .... Right. What is now called 6 will be called 5. So we will end up with more light in the morning. Doh. I was trying to correct the parent who said we are on est now.

IIRC EST is eastern standard time. We are cyrrently still on daylight savings time (EDT). I like to think of it as "dumb time" is standard time, and "smart time" is daylight savings time. Though dumb time is nice for the 4 or so months we still use it otherwise the sun is completely down before 5:00 pm.

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More likely it will be private enterprise, and will flag it as corporate property. Which is fine. No regulations needed.

12 years ago I was telling people that apple was the next big stock. I was a believer. 6 years ago I advised selling. Oh well.

I looked it up in my gut ... and my gut says I'm right.

Wow. What happened to make you despise the rats so much?

Dude I don't know what you have against shit and paper bags, but you're just being cruel comparing them to carli.

Two things: You have no constitutional right to free speech on private property; and,the constitution provides limits to governmental powers (specifically the federal government) rather than listing an individuals rights. So Starbucks can kick you out for any reason, and the constitution works differently than you seem to think.