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Comment Re:Everything we eat is GM. Everything. (Score 1) 427

Sorry for the delay between posts, but I only get to check /. infrequently these days.

Lappe and Baily are not technically wrong because they qualified their argument with 'could', not 'will'.

The canonical basis for their argument is something like the Flavr Savr tomato. What happened in that case was a biotech company with no traditional plant breeding experience employed a very early and expensive GM transformation process to a single variety of tomato (which, incidentally, happened to suck). Because of the development expenses and lack of understanding of the market, they only developed that one variety, hence a lack of genetic diversity of flavr savr tomatoes.

Taking a step back to explain, I'll start with the fact that all transgenes on the market in field crops today do not actually impact the quality of the product to the consumer at all. They don't make them taste better, look better, more nutritious, etc. This is actually largely due to regulatory reasons, as the FDA has much more stringent testing requirements if a product is actually supposed to impact the consumer as opposed to lighter restrictions if you can prove that there is no interaction intended or in practice (e.g., BT transgenic crops produce a protein that does not interact with animal digestive systems at all (and that organic farmers actually spray on their crops, incidentally)). All current field crop transgenes make the production process cheaper, more energy efficient, etc.

Anyway, in effect, transgenes basically add on a feature to an existing variety, leaving all other traits of that variety unmodified. If you added the round-up ready transgene to the red delicious apple variety, they would taste exactly like normal red delicious apples. As far as the consumer was concerned, there would be no discernable difference (unless you had a genetic or protein analysis lab at your disposal).

If you're a developer of apple varieties, and you wanted to offer your full lineup with transgenics, you would have to add the genes to every single variety of apple separately.

Development of varieties of a crop, and development and integration of transgenes into a crop, are basically two separate processes.

Due to current technological limitations, market pressures, regulatory requirements, and other business factors, transgenes are used for single-gene qualitative traits (e.g., herbicide/insect resistance) rather than quantitative ones (e.g., yield).

As if this post weren't long enough, let me use a car analogy:

Traditional breeding is like developing new cars. You use better manufacturing techniques, materials, and refined aesthetic focus to improve model lines or even come out with new line altogether.

Transgenics are like developing accessories that will fit a wide variety of vehicles, such as stereos, A/C systems, power steering, etc.

The Flavr Savr guys made the mistake of thinking that their transgene would singlehandedly ensure success despite the fact that they used a crap variety as the base of their product. It was comparable to OnStar thinking their system is so awesome that they could throw it into a Pinto and it'd sell like hotcakes even though it would be competing with similarly priced BMWs.

Lappe and Baily's argument is essentially based on the premise that all companies offering transgenes will ignore Calgene's mistake and repeat it blindly. Companies have done many stupid things, so this is not entirely unthinkable, but it is hardly likely and has not happened in practice.

Compared to transgenics, the advent of hybrids and commercial production farming have caused a decline in genetic diversity to a much larger extent. They have also caused orders of magnitude greater production, without which we would have been suffering global famine since the 60s, so it is something to weigh against the potential risks: narrowing the genetic diversity of production field crops is actually preventing global famine right now, but could also potentially contribute to widespread crop failure in the future.

Comment Re:Everything we eat is GM. Everything. (Score 1) 427

Genetically modified corn isn't any different than non-GM corn except for the presence of the transgene, and contains the same minor genetic variations you'd find in any field of hybrid corn. The seed is propagated the same way as other corn, as cloning is simply too expensive for production use.

Other methods, like doubling haploids, can be used to create genetically identical populations, but those methods are not specific to transgenic material at all.

Comment Re:Most food we eat is genetically modified (Score 1) 427

I personally think that the PVPA and related enforcement laws are messed up, and that Monsanto are a bunch of assholes, but you are conflating issues here.

A small amount of contamination in plants will not result in RR plants dominating the population as they did on Schmeiser's farm. Had he simply indiscriminately saved seed, the gene would have only been present at trace levels, or possibly been eliminated from the population without continued selection pressure favoring the gene.

In short, the only way his farm could come to be dominated by RR plants in that time frame was for him to deliberately select for RR plants.

Had he been honest he might have said 'yeah, I took those plants but I disagree with the laws that allow the patenting of plant varieties, so I don't recognize their legitimacy, especially because I was not responsible for the initial plants contaminating my farm'.

Instead he lied.

Is the law unjust? In my opinion, yes. Was Schmeiser guilty of deliberately propagating unlicensed seed? Yes. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Comment Re:Everything we eat is GM. Everything. (Score 1) 427

Speaking as someone working in the industry, I would say that your argument is based on an impossible premise. There can be no 'one perfect set of corn' world-wide because there is too much environmental diversity. The 'perfect' variety is specific to a given environment, so you will see as many varieties as there are environmental conditions.

In fact, as the market matures, genetic diversity of GM crops continues to increase.

Essentially, in the early stages of commercialization of GM crops, the transformation and development process was far too expensive relative to the projected market size to apply to all but a few of the prize lines of corn, soya, etc. Now that competition has increased and the development processes have been refined and costs reduced, instead of 2 or 3 lines with a given GM trait, you get thousands, and that number is just getting larger.

Comment Re:Not surprising (Score 1) 352

1) Depends on orbital altitude over the theatre of operations. Low (enough) latency links can be accomplished with sats if you're willing to spend money on a satellite constellation of sufficient density to allow for full coverage of the area with low altitude sats. Considerably lower latency than a Hawaiian quake player would experience on a west coast server is possible.

2) Yes, but that is neither an unsolvable nor unsolved problem.
HP

Submission + - HP Blackbird Desktop w/ Integrated Water Cooling (hothardware.com)

MojoKid writes: "After HP's acquisition of Voodoo PC last year, many speculated that the company's entrance into the high-end gaming PC market was imminent. After all, why else would they have bought Voodoo in the first place? In addition, HP was secretly working on their own gaming PC, and its codename was Blackbird. However, Blackbird wasn't being designed solely by the newly acquired engineers from Voodoo. In fact, the Blackbird project was well underway at HP before the acquisition was finalized. The two did collaborate on a design though, that ultimately became the product that is shown here — a high-end, fully customizable machine with an integrated water cooling system and a chassis design that allows complete ease of access to all major components, including hot-swap drive bays. Benchmarks and a full design showcase are included in the article."
Graphics

Submission + - It's Almost Official: Open Source ATI Drivers (linux.com)

hasbeard writes: Linux.com adds a little more substance for those eager to hear about open source ATI graphics drivers. Joe Barr reports on additional information Linux.com has obtained from AMD/ATI regarding the company's efforts to deliver source code and specifications to enable the Open Source Community to develop open source drivers for ATI graphics cards. According to Linux.com we should look for an official announcement from AMD after close of business today. The article can be found on Linux.com's site: http://www.linux.com/feature/119049
Communications

Submission + - A first look at the OpenMoko Neo 1973 (lwn.net)

mrcgran writes: "LWN.NET is running an interesting article about their first-hand impressions on the latest version of the OpenMoko Neo1973 mobile phone. The article contains an updated account of the hardware, operating system, applications and its recent user interface overhaul. The device seems to be progressing nicely, and though its software is riping a bit slowly, it seems that it will be an outstanding free (as in freedom) iPhone alternative in the next weeks."
Intel

Submission + - AMD vs Intel::Upcoming '07 Releases.

CptCheerios writes: "As it nears the summer we can see the release of Intel's Penryn and AMD's Barcelona chips nearing production. So with aproaching release of these processors we have little time left to speculate on what will be coming out. If you read through those two links, one from Intel's R&D link, and the other is a PDF from GDC 07 for AMD's Barcelona processor. When you really do your research you find only a few differences between these chips. Intel is 45nm, with SSE4 instructions, and Hi-K metal Gate technology. Then AMD has Single Die Quad core with the Memory controller built on the Cpu itself. Also the AMD supports Dual Socket Direct Connect and a 4mb Shared L3 Cache.
Intel and AMD both have new features for mobile, but Intel seems to win this with added performance features where power can shift from idle cores over to a core with a higher load on it, intel also features a deep power down mode for laptops where it uses almost no power for use with laptops sleep mode (does require a longer boot up time from this mode).
Really when it comes down to it for the Desktop CPU's its your opinion of a few features and which one will cause a higher increase in performance.
In my opinion with a strong push towards parrallel programing the AMD Barcelona will win out, that and the fact that the On Chip memory controller will allow an even higher transfer rate since motherbords will no longer have bus to the memory so there is one bottle neck removed so information can be processed even faster. Intels chips are faster and possibly will have a better core to core performance, but features like DSDC, directly interfacing Memory with the CPU, and then a Single Die quad core chip could easily makeup in total system performance, ram is already at 1.2GHz, any incentive pushing it past 1.6GHz ultimately renders it useless to Intel but mostlikely not for AMD. Intel still has a proven processor, so is all this magic and voodoo that AMD is talking about their processor really that impersive, or is Intel's penryn another Leap ahead of AMD?"
XBox (Games)

Submission + - Microsoft admitted Xbox 360 flaw

j_sp_r writes: Microsoft has admitted, after thousands of complaints from users, that there is a flaw in the Xbox 360.
Using the flawed series of the Xbox 360 can cause scratches on disks, so has the Dutch consumer program "Kassa" found out.
First Microsoft stated it's the fault of the users who failed to handle the disks with care.
It affects a set of 1 a 2 million Xbox 360's. The problem is caused by an absent of protective pads around the machines lens.
Original article is here in Dutch and the babelfish translation is here

HS Students Compete In FIRST Robotics Competition 73

A trio of teams have banded together to succeed in the 'FIRST Robotics Competition'. The teams Bobcat Robotics from South Windsor, Connecticut, Highrollers from Las Vegas, Nevada, and Gompei and the HERD from Worcester, Massachusetts combined to create a versatile robot geared to succeeding at a number of odd tasks. "These young people had six weeks to perfect their machines. And they had the enthusiasm of any athletic competition. From tie-dyed shirts to human hair dyed in school colors, competitors from 23 countries showed that math, science and brains can provide a lot of excitement ... Whether it is computer programming, wiring a motor or scouting rivals to develop strategy, students said the skills they develop often go beyond the contest. Clearly, the event has piqued the interest of major sponsors such as NASA, which will broadcast webcasts of the competitions."

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