and here we see that liberal and conservative in America means something completely different to the rest of the world (at least the part I'm in).

To me, american democrats and republicans are all right-wing, the one just a little bit less so than the other

bull. shit.

ID is nothing more than a rephrasing of 'God is real' without actually saying that.
It's wishfullfillment, nothing more.

Any of which shouldn't get you fired btw. Imposing your (misguided) beliefs upon others in your workspace is.

a favorite phrase of Jobs: "Good artists copy; great artists steal."

wow, just..... wow

at first, I thought you sounded fair and reasonable in this debate. I didn't agree with your opinion, but at least you came across as someone who has thought about what he's writing.
Your comment about having difficulty to choose between Stalin and Obama though...... Idiocy is too small a word for it

ah yes, biased reviews from one side of the debate

that'll show them!

Tell you about my life? Ok, here goes: my job is something I do to be able to pay for my various expenses; the monthly bills, my wife and kids, and the occasional holiday. I'm just another employee at just another small business. I do my job, and when there's nothing on my todo list I help out my collegues. Fact is, there's always *something* to do, so I don't have to tell my boss I've got nothing to do.
I am 'growing my skills', but I don't care much for climbing the corporate ladder. I'm actually pretty happy with my job.
Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that I've worked in a factory for about ten years, doing mostly physical labour. During the evenings I spent my time behind my computer until I was confident enough about my skills to quit my factory-job and I applied for (and got) a programming job. In comparison, nothing I do behind a computer I consider 'working my hardest'.
In my mind, there's also a big difference between not telling my boss I've got nothing to do and working my hardest. I think I'm between those two extremes: I just do my job and try to have fun doing it, until it's time to go home.

I also do know the trends in free time over the last few thousand years, but fail to see how me working my hardest or not affect those trends. I like to believe me being active in my union and reaching sensible agreements between employers and employees can and do affect those trends, but that has nothing to do with how I do my job.

I have no excellent life, I'm not a unique and beautiful snowflake, I don't feel the need to prove myself in my job. (I'm also not doing the minimum, nor did I claim to do so in my post. Perhaps I'm not the only one lacking reading skills?). I just want to live my life with my wife and kids, have a few beers with my friends, and generally just have a good time. My job is just a means to do that. Nothing more, nothing less.

yes, we need to work work work work! You're not a communist, are you? Work, goddammit, work! Give your best for your country, your employer, or you're just a lazy deadbeat. There's plenty of time to live life when you've worked yourself to death.

Yeah, that's really something to be proud about

erm?
Apple censors apps. People ask Apple to censor even more apps.

And from that, you're concluding that free speech hurts?

ah, just like anybody _not_ using cocaine, then

wow
Am I glad not to live in the society you live in.
Or be as concerned as you are about how other people view me.

you're absolutly right. The 13 year old child said some things that are unforgivable, and she deserved everything she got. Where is the world going to these days, when normal people can't just use the internet without being constantly bothered by the rants of a 13 year old girl. There isn't a place on the internet where you can go and not be bothered by the inane things children say.

give me one country where US troops are present where the local government who is in favour of US troops being there wasn't put there by the USA

[quote]FYI I'd never vote for gay marriage. Does that make you dislike me?[/quote]

very much so, yes

so murder wouldn't be illegal if they'd just make it legal?

brilliant.