SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 Released 36
MrHoolio writes "SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 has been officially released. This long-awaited/anticipated release is a make-or-break release for Novell. It promises not only a new sleek improved interface but also increased productivity with stability and less worry about viruses and the like. The pricing for the Desktop is $50 a year if you want product updates and support. Otherwise ... like other linux distros you can download it for free, but with no support."
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As usual, Novell has been playing 'rename the product.' Does anyone know how SLED 10 compares to OpenSUSE 10.1?
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you can't find those on opensuse.
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I get to use GCC 3.3.3 every day at work. It's simply a pure bundle of joy.
Tom
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You have to pay for updates? (Score:1)
What's different about Enterprise Linux (Score:1)
Most of my experience on the desktop is with Gentoo. I've been considering Ubuntu. For the web server I use Debian.
What I like the most about them is package management, and that the install allows a truly stripped down system, with only the packages I want. (less to go wrong, imo)
Is it just for the support that they use an "enterprise" linux, or are there other differences?
Re:What's different about Enterprise Linux (Score:2, Informative)
Because many decisions in enterprises (like mine) are relationship driven.
We have a strong relationship with Oce [oceusa.com] and Oce has a strong relationship with SuSE (both with German roots). So, our Oce print servers all run SuSE.
On the app hosting side, our IT department has always had good relationships with RTP [rtp.org] companies, so they prefer RedHat.
Re:What's different about Enterprise Linux (Score:5, Informative)
The lifecycle generally goes like this:
1. Test releases of the free version
2. Full release of the free version
3. Repeat 1-2 a couple of times.
4. Release of an enterprise version
Stability improves at each stage, so by the time you get to SUSE Enterprise, or RHEL, etc., you've got something much more stable than openSUSE or Fedora Core.
Then you get 5-7 years (depending on the company) of guaranteed updates without having to worry about upgrading your system. Sure, you can usually perform an online upgrade to a new release using apt-get or yum, but upgrading from Release N to Release N+1 is always more risky than updating components within a release.
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Re:What's different about Enterprise Linux (Score:4, Informative)
This means that my company doesn't have to constantly pay to re-test and re-verify the software we write every time someone feels like adding a nifty new feature, yet I can still keep the systems patched and secure. Re-doing QA is really expensive.
I run fedora on my desktop at home. But every time I install a new version, I end up with things breaking that I've got to fix. Imagining doing that with all of the hundreds of machines i run, and then having to explain to management why so many of our applications had downtime down due to a little OS upgrade... that gives me nightmares. I'll stick to enterprise-level stuff on the job.
What's different about Enterprise Linux (Score:5, Informative)
Most of use that support these servers are happy to trade being a year or so behind the latest and greatest features for the joy of not worrying over whether some update or other is going to break our critically important (at least to our companies and our carreers
This isn't to knock community-developed distributions - all of my personal systems run them, and I've used them on occasion in enterprise environments where we were just running stuff included in the distro. But like most things, you need to choose the write tool for the job...
Re:What's different about Enterprise Linux (Score:4, Informative)
Plenty of people have pointed out the different life cycle of the Enterprise editions, so I won't belabor that point. Besides, it's something I consider sort of moot given the stability of Debian's Stable branch.
More importantly, IMO, is that RHEL and SLES (SuSE Linux Enterprise Server) include some semi-proprietary or fully-proprietary code that's useful for integration with other systems. Additionally, a lot more time has been invested in creating an environment that allows the sort of point-and-click administration that Windows admins and PHBs are accustomed to using and seeing (respectively). This is actually incredibly nice for organizations that are just beginning to build Linux expertise.
Additionally -- and perhaps most importantly -- you're paying for access to specific update servers that have a guaranteed availability -- something you simply can't get with "lesser" versions of these products. This single point is what keeps my clients buying RHEL and SLES instead of implementing Debian. Of course, one can argue that Debian's extensive world-wide mirror system is probably more stable than the centrally-controlled RHEL and SLES servers, but explaining the advantages of decentralized controls to PHBs can be challenging at best.
No support? (Score:3, Insightful)
Speaking, of course, of support as in configuration, etc., as opposed to support as in code rewrites...
But still, that's a far shot from "no support unless you pay".
Support the fallen, block the idiots
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Re:No support? (Score:5, Insightful)
"Better support from the community" may be true in that there is 'cheaper' support available; it may be true in that there are more knowledgeable people available (if you can find them, and they're willing to talk to you, and...etc.). However, that's not what 'better' means in the enterprise world. 'Better', to an IT manager, means that their department has done everything possible to mitigate risk and can show that in quantifiable terms, with legally guaranteed response times and effort levels, along with predictable costs.
That's what 'Enterprise support' means. For the home user? Nope, not necessary. For someone who has to budget the cost of running a thousand user desktops on linux six to eight months before the year of run begins? Critical.
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Oh. I guess I missed that "Enterprise" in the summary.
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I have been waiting for this. (Score:2, Interesting)
This is one of the best days for Linux since its inception in 1991. This is by far the most stable and polished Desktop offering (I am talking about the Desktop release here) I have seen in all of my 10+ years of using Linux.
Congrats to everyone, this is a milestone, one that will no doubt
Re:I have been waiting for this. (Score:2)
The hell... (Score:2)
Exception thrown by getter for property allVariations.size of bean product
I hope the documentation isn't written by the guy who came up with this...
Favorable Review (Score:5, Informative)
Fewer Viruses (Score:3, Funny)
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Can download it for free? (Score:2)