pps. I won't be monitoring this thread anymore. (does slashdot have thread notifications?) Feel free to send me a PM if you posted something new.

Ow yeah, forgot to mention, check the thread for seeing me drastically changing my mind. I at one point admit that I was convinced by others that even blocking child porn might be a bad idea. Maybe you can at least concur that when you implied I was unable to change my mind in this discussion, it wasn't entirely accurate. This is me:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4022577&cid=44400111

You misinterpret that quote, it wasn't at all in the 'think of the children' context. But I am not going to put everything into perspective, because probably if I have trouble translating it to you, other will as well. Maybe it's a language thing. You do realize probably that with the whole 'I'm not expecting an apology from you' statement you rig the discussion just as hard as you accused me of doing don't you? Anyway, it's been good talking to you, honestly. We're strangers which would have never met or spoken a word otherwise. Good luck.

Hamlet. Nice and all. I'll play ball once more, since you took the time in the GP post to type up some stuff. As you can read in the entire thread, I felt it was hugely interesting to discuss this topic. Even though people got emotional, and offended, that didn't happen to me. If you disagree, I'd like a quote from me somewhere that showed offence. Not an appeal to common courtesy, offence. Things like 'fuck you mr. dictator' don't bother me in the slightest, but it does make it difficult for me to take that opinion seriously because I don't know if someone like that is even interested in a discussion.

There are allot of inaccurate statements in what you said.

Check my very first post, root level. I explicitly encouraged people to keep emotions out of it. And didn't repeat them after that.

lol. At almost no point it was a rational discussion, but I worked very hard to try to keep it that. I replied to anyone (including you) to make sure the root level post wasn't troll-intended, but a question if some censorship is needed for certain reasons. Some replies were not entirely content based because people posted non-content related things for me to address.

Without a doubt true about lots of discussions, but if you think it applied here, you either wanted to show your knowledge on interpersonal engagements (which you without a doubt have), but more likely, you stepped into the discussion too late and didn't read the whole thing.

At not point, not once, I actually got offended. As I said; I request courtesy, I don't require it.

Because that's what you and I would be doing if we didn't have this chat right here? The grand parent made clear that HIS time could be spent better, and that HE was bored with the discussion. Not that of society as a whole which you imply. We were talking about how this discussion right here, right now would be wasted time. Which I really think it isn't.

If that is a given, an absolute irrefutable fact, then there is indeed nothing we can do but never allow any censorship.

How would that work? Remove commercialization.

I don't think it's knee-jerk. It consider this stuff allot. Stuff like ethics and religion occupy me daily. I regret mentioning my kids, because they have nothing to do with the way I feel.

I haven't either, I must admit. And that includes while browsing for regular porn. And no, we're not discussing the term 'regular', if you don't mind. So good point.

Like someone else mentioned here. New people are born every generation, and that makes the most interesting and important discussions a thousand years old. And almost infinitely renewable.

You're right. The childporn-issue is easier to discuss, because the urgency is clear. The violence is much, much harder. I was referring to sites that instruct to kill a specific person or group. But it's undoable, and more than that, undefinable.

The Netherlands here. I doubt it'll happen here. Although the UK thing keeps the discussion very much alive.

That may be a solution for me. I'm seriously considering OpenDNS. But the original point was that I was hoping that blocking the child pornography would affect the demand. Or maybe even nullify the supply. But I am very much aware this has huge disadvantages.

'have tried' is crucial here. Because I noticed it, but just won't pick up on that if both the eloquence and intention is lacking. There has to be a minimum to work with.

Very insightful. So far, the debate has been enriching for me that I actually truly regret proposing that child porn should be blocked for everyone. It might actually be a bad idea. But, for the life of me, I can't put my finger on why exactly.

I am. And without wiggle room in your argument, I think I'll indeed settle for idiot.