Thanks for convoluting the issue so badly that I'm not bothering responding to that drivel. Nothing you wrote applies. Thanks for being a dick though, I'm sure you're the "asshole atheist" I hear about when debating with xtians so at least I know you're the guy who gives all the other atheists a bad name.

So in other words you fall into the category of people who don't have an answer to the question...

I wish I had mod points and that you weren't logged in as A/C because *that* my friend is CLASSIC!

The "heavens" isn't all that you think it is. Heavens != planets, moons, stars, black holes, etc since Genesis 1:1 says he created the heavens and the earth but then in Genesis 1:13-16 he creates that all over again...

"13 And there was evening, and there was morning--the third day. 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17"

Mark 11:24 Jesus says, "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."

Yet my father's hand is still missing.

I'm interested in this thing from Mark Twain of which you speak. That wouldn't happen to be in Letters From Earth, would it? If so, I'll have to read that with new eyes...I loved that story.

Yes, I do think that centuries of theologians didn't think of that. Perhaps you haven't read up on your history but until recently, openly questioning religion has been a deadly mistake. And FYI, I never said that theologians didn't think of it, just that Genesis has no answer for it.

Mark 11:24 Jesus says, "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."

True.

My daughter was 8 years old when she found a flaw in Genesis so large that you could drive a dump truck through it.. She had been given a deck of memory matching cards by some classmate of hers that had a religious theme and one of the cards was about creation and she asked the question that even my mother can't/won't answer... "if it took 6 days for God(tm) to create the Earth, how long did it take him to make the other planets and stars?" I've never been prouder.

For you believers who still don't get it, try visiting whydoesgodhateamputees.com and tell me why your god will perform a "miracle" like "healing" a cancer patient but wouldn't heal my father's hand despite my prayers as a (fully believing) child. I'll wait but I won't take the "but maybe that is his plan" or other BS that simply means you don't know how to answer it... The bible clearly states if I prayed with my heart, he should have been healed so why the other "miracles"(most of which happened under the care of a doctor, not a preacher)??

"I don't get the point here. You leave your screen unlocked then I gain instant access to where ever you're currently logged on."

You don't get the point because you don't have my setup, nor did you pay attention to a key word: "graphical". Non-GUI access to my systems isn't nearly as damaging as GUI access to them. For example, if I accidentally leave a document on which I'm working on my desktop, it's not readily apparent via CLI, but you can see it plain as day if you logon graphically. That's a simple example, but I have far more reasons than just that. BTW, my screensaver crashes for some unknown reason from time to time so while I do typically lock it, I don't like to take the risk, so a password is a good extra step to provide that security.

"So either you're using that option or you should really re-check your SSH logs and config ;-)"

Nope, neither of those is true. My sshd_config has PasswordAuthentication = no. Nothing can login via ssh(not even 127.0.0.1) without the proper PK.

I do agree they should generate a new key upon install.....and they offer that as well. If you read a bit more there's a step in the setup that asks if you want to use the default key pair. If you answer "no", it'll generate one for you. Are you sure you used NX for any *real* period of time? I ask because it seems you didn't give it much of a fair chance because this was a feature(at least in Free/OpenNX, and I'm sure NoMachine's had it as well but I haven't used it in this regard in over a year so I can't be certain) since I first started using it some 4+ years ago.

"Sounds weird to me, why the heck would that be so? Both use the same ssh, which supports both."

Apparently because the Open/FreeNX had issues with RSA. I don't remember what that problem was but I do remember spending several months hammering out the problem after moving to PK-only authentication only to discover that it was solved by using NoMachine's setup which took me 30 seconds to configure. I actually have to do that again because of a recent system crash so maybe I'll play with it a bit and see if I can answer that question for you in depth.

Windows and Mac server?!?!? Finally, no more rdesktop!

"Second, it is a pain in the ass. Even if you use PK for all your ssh access you will have to maintain a password just for nx sake. Come on in the year 2010 (or 2011 for that matter) it is totally idiotic to use ssh with passwords for normal daily jobs."

Ok, I've gotta call you out on something... You have a good and informative post, I will agree, but you also called the devs at NX lazy, complained about your perception of their security measures and yet you're here complaining about having to use a password....

I personally like the password because that means that someone can't get unchecked graphical access to my remote machines by simply catching me on a bathroom break with my screen unlocked. In your scenario it would only take a single click. Yes, they would have access to my laptop but I'd rather have at least a password between them and access to the remote systems I admin.

I don't ever remember being encouraged to keep the same public key for NX but I can safely say that my setup uses my own PK.

Also, I don't think that you have the NX login sequence entirely correct because while the first part seems accurate, I can safely say that NX can NOT be spawning a second ssh session using my password because passwords are forbidden in ssh by policy on my system, so it'd have to be using my PK, or doing some other form of login. I could be wrong but that's the impression I got while learning to set it up with RSA keys a while back. And just to let anyone know who might be interested in setting up RSA PK authentication with NX, you have to use NoMachines node/server/client from their site, the FreeNX/OpenNX only do DSA.

Also, if I have my own PK pair setup for ssh, I'm pretty certain that even if I leave the NX keys as default, there isn't much chance of someone using the NX account to bruteforce passwords as you suggest because even if my system allowed passwords for ssh, they'd still need my PK to even get the NX session spawned. Again, I could be wrong on any of these points but I checked this pretty thoroughly and that's what I've seen thus far.

Regardless, I see your complaints boiling down to the out-of-the-box experience of NX versus having to actually work to configure and secure the system properly. I don't really have issues with having to do extra work to do that.

Well, yeah, I have several friends who need at least 9 buttons...I'm just a bit of a simpleton in some regards.

You can use PK authentication for the SSH traffic(for example if you want to thwart bruteforce attempts by allowing ONLY PK authentication) but the NX login requires a password regardless, I assume for security measures; I personally am cool with that.

VNC only offers a low form of control compared to what I get out of NX(IIRC, I never could get VNC to recognize more than 3 buttons on my mouse but I need the use of all 5), or rdesktop for that matter, and you don't need any special ports open, just SSH. And to top it off, NX offers better compression which is why they're likely closing the source. I have tried to convince NoMachine to make a Windows version but apparently they don't care about it despite my offers of wealth.

...for the PC, not the Xbox. I was pretty certain that was incredibly clear...did they announce something I'm unaware of?