Re:Yes (Score 1)

Then remake the math curriculum around coding and probability. You should be writing lisp(?) programs to do your symbolic (not numeric) solves very early on. Put discrete math and probability far before calculus; and focus on writing programs to do the solves rather than on doing the calculations. Whipping up an app that succeeds just well enough to get into production but not to actually survive it is a problem that purely vocational training doesn't help with. That is how you end up with situations where a contractor is brought in to clean up a mess or to move blame to the contractor. The basics of computational complexity need to be absorbed before you can make web sites; even if they are all being hosted in AppEngine or AWS. Computer Science education is a bit floppy about teaching good software engineering (ie: small conceptual changes creating small code changes, making code organization scale, making efficient abstractions that don't leak). There comes a day where a vocational developer encounters major performance problems and things like this are found all over the code: 1) immutable string append in a loop (not understanding what O(n^2) means) 2) select * from two giant tables and group by unindexed field (not understanding what O(n^2) means) 3) deeply nested for/while loops (not understanding what O(n^2) means 4) data races (not having a coherent model of how the computer works, or what to do if you dont want to have to think about it too carefully)