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Comment Re:No one should have expected (Score 1) 1364

A petition is not a vote, it's a public statement that "I support initiative X."

Gonna have to disagree with you (and everyone else in this discussion making similar statements). While the above is certainly the common understanding of what it means to sign a petition, from a deliberative process standpoint all it really means is that the question (in this case, "Should same-sex unions share the same rights and privileges as opposite-sex unions?") is worthy of consideration. This is distinctly different than "worthy of support." If you feel strongly about a petition (referendum, ballot measure, whatever) -- either strongly for or strongly against -- you should push to see it placed before voters. If for no other reason than to see where the issue really stands in the jurisdiction. (Maybe the overwhelming majority of Washington voters are raging homophobes -- this referendum will let the non-homophobic residents know where they stand.)

My point is that "supporting" a petition to get a measure on the ballot is not the same thing as supporting the measure itself. The danger of what these folks are doing is that most people will fail to make that distinction and treat anyone who signed the petition as a homophobe. I am not arguing that the petition signers should not be a matter of public record, only that the public should be educated that there is a distinction between supporting a petition and supporting the referendum.

I am not a resident of Washington, but if I was then I would sign the petition specifically so I could vote against the referendum. Trying to prevent decisive measures from coming to a vote is a losing proposition that engenders a lot of ill will on both sides. If the "No On R-71" crowd is convinced that they can win, they should push for the referendum to be on the ballot so that the supporters can see just how outnumbered they are.

Comment Re:What the Crap Oregon? (Score 1) 318

"First your state develops that absurd vehicle mileage tax system that was discussed yesterday"

Wrong. A guy from district 3 is looking at alternative to a gas tax to help recoup loss from improved gas mileage. NO one has develod, implemented or OK'd any such system.

Bzzt. You may want to check the history on the proposal. In fact, such a system was already "developed, implemented and OK'd" in Portland. From http://www.dailyemerald.com/news/ore-rep-floats-mileage-fee-to-replace-gas-tax-1.236118:

"This type of pilot program has already been tested in Oregon, along with a few other states. In November 2007, 260 Portland residents volunteered to have a mileage-tracking device installed in their cars as a VMT [Vehicle Mileage Tax] program trial run."

As the linked article notes, there were tracking issues because it was limited to the state of Oregon and had limited funds; the point of the new proposal is to expand the trial program nationwide so that folks can be tracked (purely for accounting purposes, of course) across state borders. From time to time, it throws out something stupid, too.

That being said, you're right about it not being the entire state of Oregon that has gone mental. Most folks in my home state are good people, whether they're raving liberal city-dwellers or raving conservatives from everywhere else. Oregon has a long history of being very progressive, from beverage container recycling laws to "death with dignity" (assisted suicide).

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PatPending writes: Google Inc., the most-used Internet search engine, won dismissal of a Wisconsin company's lawsuit over four patents for database-search technology. U.S. District Judge John Shabaz in Madison, Wisconsin, granted Google's request Dec. 21 to throw out the patent- infringement suit filed in April by closely held HyperPhrase Technologies LLC before trial. HyperPhrase targeted the Google toolbar interface used in Internet browsers; its AutoLink feature that allows users to link to information on selected Web sites; and AdSense, Google's technology for placing ads on its site. http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-06122 7google-story,0,1690497,print.story?coll=chi-busin ess-hed
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An anonymous reader writes: I received a piece of unsolicited commercial email from a major hosted service provider. I called the provider and found that they had obtained my contact information from Jigsaw.com. I contacted Jigsaw and asked to be removed from their database — only to be told that all of their contact information was user submitted and that I could not opt-out of receiving further UCE from their members. I could remove my email address from their database if I wanted, but their support staff warned that anyone else could add me back in.

It seems like the whole Jigsaw.com business model is centered around selling out your business contacts in exchange for free or discounted access to other people's contacts. Jigsaw.com's customer service person claimed that they prohibited using their site for spam/UCE, but could not see any difference between "cold-calling" (what they actively suggest using the service for) and spam/UCE. Has anyone else had related issues with this company?
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Tatsuya Nakagawa writes: "Hi, One of our articles got mentioned on Techdirt and Wired magazine. "Rather Than Arresting WiFi Freeloaders, Why Not Offer Them Coffee?" http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061227/191906.s html "WiFi Leeches Not So Bad After All?" http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/networking/index.htm l Those article links to http://www.incentivemag.com/msg/content_display/ma rketing/e3i3eebab3a25f070800bc9308b6fc22cc7 Maybe this is something your readers would be interested in? I'm interested in knowing your thought. It seems like a very hot topic these days. Hope you had a great holiday. All the best, Tats"
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