That doesn't make any sense. I haven't actually said I believe that the corrupt piece of trash known as the NSA keeps other spying agencies in check, and you haven't explained how destroying them means they're beneficial. More than likely, they work with other countries to violate everyone's freedoms.

The NSA has clearly shown itself to be untrustworthy.

Yeah, but I can't even vote in other countries, so good luck with that.

I don't gladly reap any benefits; I want the NSA destroyed. It must be nice to pretend that I love the NSA and believe it's beneficial in your delusions, but please try to remain in reality and not tell other people what they believe.

Irrelevant. That still doesn't make it moral.

So you're going to justify the "everyone else does it" argument by saying that everyone else does it? Okay.

Don't answer questions for me. Nothing logically flows from this flawed example. We're spying on countries that pose us no direct threat, and you warmongers can't stand the fact that some people realize that the government thugs doing this need to be put in their place.

Then let's stop paying the worthless freedom-violating pieces of trash. Bottom line is, we don't need worthless warmongers spying on random countries for no moral reason, which is what's happening now.

I care about US citizens, and I care about non-US citizens. The fact that some people think it's okay to violate the privacy of people in other countries for no other reason than because they're not citizens of our country is absurd; much of the time, we have no reason to spy to begin with.

We get molested at airports for trying to get on a plane. It sucks but thats how the world is.
We get spied on even though the government doesn't have any proper warrants. It sucks but thats how the world is.
We get shipped off to free speech zones when the government disagrees with our speech. It sucks but thats how the world is.
Our right to assemble has been infringed and now, in many places, we must have permits to even protest. It sucks but thats how the world is.
We start and maintain pointless wars for long periods of time, which ends up killing thousands. It sucks but thats how the world is.

The NSA must be destroyed, and this nonsensical attitude must be as well.

The warmongers won't ever understand.

No. You don't get to decide what other people would do if they were put in a different situation and then decide that they're hypocritical because of the actions they took in your delusions.

I'd say the chances of having something to discuss would be zero. Freedom is simply more important than security, and since we're supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave...

Wrong. IQ != intelligence. A grand majority of people are unintelligent.

I have a real problem with them not only because of that, but because I simply don't want my privacy to be violated. I see the mere collection of this data as an abuse in and of itself.

No. We need to get rid of the entire organization and get rid of the system they have in place to wiretap to begin with.

I do not want the government to violate our rights to keep us safe. And to begin with, it isn't the government that's violating that "basic right" of which you speak, so it's an utterly irrelevant point when you're talking to people who don't want the government violating our rights.

It sure fooled me.

I wish that were true. In fact, I wish his leaks do so much damage to them that it utterly destroys these parasites, but sadly, I doubt that's going to be the case.

All it takes to pass is a tiny bit of motivation; all you have to do is memorize facts and spew them all back on worthless tests and exams. Now, if you stopped caring completely (and I can't blame anyone who would)...