Electronic Frontier Foundation.

No cheating necessary. I've been a supporter of them since they were founded back when BBS systems were king.

Yes, I meant that removing the apps don't free up user partition space meaning you gain no storage benefits by removing them.

On IOS, things are different... if you have an 8GB iPod Touch, all System/Apple apps take up some of that space. If you jailbreak the phone and remove some of the bundled stuff (say the stock market app), the space freed up is now available for your apps, music, pictures, whatever.

On the EVO, there is 1GB of internal storage. Less than half of it is available for our user installed apps, documents, pictures, music, etc. It is my understanding that those Shovelware apps (I love that term) are installed to that 512MB partition for the system to use. That's why you can't uninstall it on an unrooted phone.

On the plus side, the apps don't take up room allocated to us, on the downside, when removed, they don't give us any more room. We're still limited to a bit over 400MB out of that 1GB storage device.

There is nothing to fear. I downloaded unrevoked3 on my Mac and had my EVO rooted in maybe 5 minutes with a couple of mouse clicks. I used the tutorial at http://preview.tinyurl.com/49bozuc (GoodandEVO.net), the tutorial is for doing it under Windows (a little more involved) but it went a long way to comfort my before attacking my $400 phone to get ownership and control.

I removed all the unwanted system apps and am now able to backup my entire phone to the SD card (which I then archive to my computer.)

Yes, an OS SHOULD allow that. However, neither Android nor IOS allow end users to uninstall "system" applications.

However, if you root or jailbreak (respectively), then the end user IS able to remove those apps. On IOS devices, this also saves you room. On Android it doesn't since those unwanted apps are stored in the firmware. On the plus side, they don't take up valuable user app storage space on Android.

I've removed the unwanted apps on my HTC EVO, not to free up room, but because I didn't care to see them in my list of apps. For instance, it came with QuickOffice. That was nice of them. But I bought QuickOffice Pro and after installation had two QuickOffice icons leading to the two different versions. So the vendor installed version went away.

I doubt that any "reasonable" person would consider anything that I do on my rooted EVO to be illegal. I removed unwanted vendor supplied apps and can now back up my ENTIRE phone including all user settings and data. I don't run pirated software and don't care to try out any custom kernals or even user interfaces from newer phones.

You must be talking about Las Vegas, NV where the mafia weren't run out of town, they just put on uniforms and suits.

Now THAT is funny!

I went through a similar thing here in Las Vegas about ten years ago when I was working a paper route. I was driving a '92 Buick, sitting in the left turn lane of a major intersection at about 4AM. I sat through three complete cycles of the traffic lights without ever getting a left turn green light.

I had four choices:
1. Wait until the intersection was clear and safe and then carefully make my left turn.
2. Go straight on the green light for straight, but doing so from the wrong lane.
3. Back up to where I could get in the proper lane, but breaking the laws regarding reversing more than 150 feet on a public roadway or breaking the law regarding changing lanes within 150 feet of an intersection.
4. Abandon my vehicle and find a pay phone to call 311 (non-emergency police number) for advice and to report the malfunctioning signal.

I chose option one. Cross traffic was stopped as my direction had a green light for straight ahead.

Of course, there was a police office sitting in traffic to my right, who promptly hit the lights and sirens as I turned and pulled me over.

"I can't believe that you did that in front of me!" he yelled.
I explained what happened, he handed me a ticket for making an illegal turn and failing to obey a traffic control device, telling me to "Tell it to the judge."

It took me three appearances at the courthouse before I could see a judge just for the arraignment AND I had to pay bail BEFORE the arraignment because I was pleading not guilty.

When I gave the judge my plea, he called me to the bench and offered to convert it to a no point parking ticket. I refused and told him "I'm not guilty your honor, taking the deal would be admitting guilt."

He sighed and said "Ok, I'm not supposed to hear testimony at an arraignment but tell me your story".
I did.
He then said "And you want me to make a ruling regarding which was the proper choice? You're not getting from me. CASE DISMISSED!"

He then told me quietly, "I'd have done the same thing in your situation."

Yes, it cost me more in time off than the fine would have been, but it was the principle of the thing. Plus I really wanted a judge to rule on the situation.