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Comment Re:So says the religious guy. (Score 1) 1237

The man in question was never a Muslim, but since his parents were Muslim, he was convicted of apostasy. Facts here: http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/BPnews.asp?ID=37246 The rights of non-Muslims under Sharia law does not include the right to property, and any action done by a Muslim male is justified and proper. You should do a bit of reading before assuming that some one is mixed up. A larger question would be why you think this is OK? Is it because he was a Christian that you think he deserves to die?

You are probably referring to the Inquisition conducted by the Catholic Church. Please remember that one of the 'crimes' that could get you death at the stake under the Inquisition was owning a bible. The bible is the most subversive document ever written.

We live at a time when more people are persecuted for their Christian faith than at any time in history. Muslim leadership does not need you to cover up their crimes.

Comment Re:So says the religious guy. (Score 1) 1237

I was being a little flip about the big band, but the truth is, quantum mechanics (Our best crack at understanding the universe), does not allow a particle to exist in less than it's wavelength. (simplified here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity) At the singularity stage of the universe, no measurement is possible, so what existed at that point is 'nothing' in our time/space.

I notice that your defense of evolution consists of an ad hominem attack, and not a reasoned argument. Why?

I normally see a reference to: http://www.talkorigins.org/ at this point in the conversation, which is a delightful collection of all the fallacies in evolution. See if you can spot the error in each argument! (There are often more than one.)

Comment Re:So says the religious guy. (Score 1) 1237

The only problem with this idea is that all of the major themes in modern Christianity are laid out in the old testament. For instance the best ancient copy of Isaiah dates from 130-60 BC and contains, intact, the 53rd chapter, which was removed from later Jewish editions of Isaiah because one cannot read it without noticing the similarity to the events in the Gospels. By the way, the oldest references to the gospels date from the first and second century AD, and are indistinguishable from the modern texts. This is important because this was the period when it was death to be a believer in Christ, and the first church councils were a couple of hundred years in the future. I can better believe Muslims hacking up the torah and the gospels a thousand years later, then that a bunch of people running for their lives sat down to screw up the very thing they were dying for.

Christians are held to be infidels.

The Koran calls for the death of any person that denies any part of the Koran. When a Christian says that Jesus is the son of God (the foundational believe in Christianity), he earns a death sentence because either: a) he is worshiping some other God, or b) he is contradicting Mohammed. Either case is a death sentence.

Perhaps you think this is a thing of the past? There is a man in Iran condemned to death today for the crime of converting to Christianity.

Comment Re:a granfalloon divided against itself cannot sta (Score 1) 1237

My point was that I disagree with killing the innocent. I also disagree with tyrants killing innocent people, and sometimes that means taking away their guns. By force. It would be more appropriate if you compared our kill-rate of innocent civs with Saddam's rate, or Bashirs, or The Talibans.

Comment Re:So says the religious guy. (Score 1) 1237

God has declared that you have a choice of communion with him or separation from him. His idea is for you to accept him on his terms, i.e. believe in Jesus. You have the choice not to.

The implication of your penultimate paragraph is that you know how to do this better than God. I think not.

The bible presents the idea that God redeeming us predates the creation of the universe (2nd Timothy, 1:9)

If he thinks it worth dying for, who am I to argue, especially seeing how imperfect I am.

Jesus made the sacrifice as an adult, willingly, and for the joy of seeing you accept him. The idea that there is nothing in the world worth dying for is really sad, and makes a mockery of the self-denial that is the highest of man's thoughts.

Comment Re:So says the religious guy. (Score 1) 1237

I would take exception to your idea that evolution is cross-examined in the scientific literature. It is a dogma that will end your career if you question even the most specious argument. There is ample proof that evolution is impossible on its face, and the theory has been disproved by Darwin's own criteria.

(Yes, I have read Darwin.)

I will assume your last statement is the result of ignorance of the bible, because there have been all kinds of neat things discovered about the world because a statement in the bible piqued someone's curiosity. (Matthew Maury's mapping of ocean currents comes to mind.)

There are other possibilities as well, such as the idea of God 'stretching' the heavens. Is that why there is red shift? Big Bang theories have a problem:"First there was nothing, then it exploded" does not happen where we live.

Comment Re:So says the religious guy. (Score 1) 1237

I think you may conflating two things: science as the realm of repeatable experiment on the one hand, and theories of origins on the other. Neither evolution nor creation can be proven in the sense of running an experiment and developing a statistical statement of probability, since there was only one origin, whichever it was, and no way to repeat the experiment. In this case, we must apply a different approach: Apply the tools of experimentation to what is implied by these mutually exclusive origins. It is rather easy to prove that things move from order to disorder in the absence of intelligence: just quit imposing order on your socks and see where they end up. The evolution idea is more problematic. Order does not arise from disorder in the absence of intelligence.

The idea of intelligent creation is critical to science, because it implies that there is an order that can be discovered. Of course, the question of the nature of God comes into play here, because only an unchanging God can be expected to make immutable laws.

Comment Re:So says the religious guy. (Score 1) 1237

I would like to point out that chroniclers are notoriously silent on lost battles. The disaster that Egypt suffered may well have kept folks busy finding food rather than pontificating about the Hebrews. There is no particular reason to disbelief the texts of Exodus, other than a desire to disbelieve the bible in general.

Please provide an example of an emendation that became scripture. I would agree with you in reference to the Mishna (commentaries) but not the Tanach (the first five books of the bible) The standard for copying the scriptures was very high, with even a single letter deviation being a cause to destroy the whole attempt.

I use the King Jimmy because the few minor problems are well documented, and I love the poetry of the KJV.

I also use modern versions when I need to quote the bible, because I do not expect the level of education implied by an acquaintance with English from 1611, nor do I expect that everyone will be so interested as to make the effort to understand the older English.

Comment Re:So says the religious guy. (Score 1) 1237

The 'both' idea is hogwash, and does a disservice to both the evolution idea and the creation idea. I better idea is to examine the initial state as defined by both ideas and examine the current measurable world for processes that operate in accordance with those states. The creation idea is that the world started in a state of order and is going to a state of disorder. The evolution idea is that the world started in disorder and is going to a stat of order. Experiment to find out which is the correct initial state. It is pretty easy to find experiments that show the order moving into disorder, evolution is another story.

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