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Comment Re:Global climate != Local weather (Score 1) 571

I have no argument about what you point out. Mainly, because it doesn't seem relevant in light of the facts. Namely that our current temperature is almost back up to what it was 1000 years ago, but not yet back to what it was 5000 years ago. Apparently we are still below the average temperature for our current interglacial period. There are all kinds of implications here.

  • The Earth has been cooling since about the time of Christ. Shouldn't the people who claim CO2 is the boogey man explain that trend first?
  • We're starting to warm back up to conditions in which civilization best flourished: The Holocene Thermal Maximum allowed the beginning of civilization and agriculture, the Minoan Warm Period, Roman Warm Period, and the Mediaeval Warm Period were times of plenty and advancement. Considering how well humanity did in warmer times than this, a finer grained assessment of the risk vs. rewards should be made, as opposed to a Hollywood scare treatment for the ignorant masses. That reeks of an ulterior motive.
  • And given the most of the Holocene has been warmer, any life forms which take longer than 10,000 years to evolve obviously have no problem with warmer temperatures than now, so what's with the crap about polar bears becoming extinct?

Comment Re:No Sunspots = Starvation... (Score 1) 571

Absolutely right. And when someone who actually knows math and statistics (as opposed to climate "scientists"), and who are knowledgeable enough to consider influences outside the earth's atmosphere (as opposed to climate "scientists"), find that the planetary and lunar orbits fit the temperature cycles better than the climate "scientists'" models do, why does anyone (except media whores) even bother to listen to them any more? http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.4639

Comment Re:Big Oil funding the evil deniers (Score 1) 701

BTW, before you (correctly) point out that prisonplanet.com is something of a nutjob web site, that's irrelevant. Those are either quotes by Tillerson or they're not.

Discounting data because of the source is exactly what my original post was trying to expose as erroneous. It's either true or it isn't regardless of whether the source is your mother, Hitler, or Exxon Mobile.

Comment Big Oil funding the evil deniers (Score 1) 701

Since this AC was modded up to 4 and counting, apparently there are still a lot of gullible sheep who believe the spin that skeptics are funded by Big Bad Oil.

With all due respect (ha) to WWF and Sierra Club propaganda, those of you who are of this persuasion may be interested in looking a little further than the latest issue of the "Weekly Weenie".

See, for example

http://www.prisonplanet.com/oil-companies-support-global-warming-alarmists-not-skeptics.html

A common charge leveled against global warming skeptics is that they are on the payroll of transnational oil companies, when in fact the opposite is true, oil companies are amongst the biggest promoters of climate change propaganda, emphasized recently by Exxon Mobil's call for a global carbon tax.

According to Exxon Mobil chief executive Rex Tillerson, the cap and trade nightmare being primed for passage in the Senate doesn't go far enough - Tillerson wants a direct tax on carbon dioxide emissions, essentially a tax on breathing since we all exhale this life-giving gas.

In a speech last month, Tillerson brazenly called out the cap and trade agenda for what it was, an effort to impose a carbon tax camouflaged only by a slick sales pitch and deceptive rhetoric. "It is easier and more politically expedient to support a cap-and-trade approach, because the public will never figure out where it is hitting them," said Tillerson. "They will just know they hurt somewhere in their pocketbook," he added, pointing out that he disagreed with this convoluted method of introducing a carbon tax, arguing instead that it would be more successful to openly propose a straight carbon tax.

Tillerson firmly expressed Exxon's support for climate change alarmists in stating, "I firmly believe it is not too late for Congress to consider a carbon tax as the better policy approach for addressing the risks of climate change."

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