I do not dispute the science behind immunization. I dispute the logic that you must take vaccine for everything. I also would like more control in process of testing , specially that there is no financial connection between the industry and the testing facility. When there is profit in question I do not belive in "goodness" of the board of directors or the policies of the industry. I am paranoid about human nature in regards to extra profit. Not in the science behind the theory. "mild efects " are not what happened to a percentage of vaccine receivers ( for instance last year flu shots) In Finland state finance the costs for health problems incured in vaccination. In my country there is not such thing. So if a child of mine has consequences being in the minuscule percentage that will have hazardouse efects in the healt of the child. The financial costs will be mine ( and my resouces are questionable in comparision to the rest of western society) So would you take a the risks? It is always easy to point and say , nothing happened to me, but internet is full of sites where there are life stories of people who didn't have so much luck. Vaccination should not make bigger risk then the issue you try to avoid by vaccination.

All I asked in the begining of my post is "How many of you had taken all vaccine shots "offered" and " ordered" by the state? "offered" and " ordered" by the state ministry of health? For those who continue to just flame here is a list of imunizations http://kidshealth.org/parent/growth/medical/immunization_chart.html Neither of you confirmed that you have taken all imunization offered. In the society of "profit" i do not beleive in benevolentan spirit of the vaccine industry. I also asked do the preachers of vaccination live by their words and vaccinate their loved ones with every vaccine that they offer to the rest of us on the table and again you did not at least point me to some data. So ,ok, call me names , but at least see on wikipedia what are the characteristics of that mental illness that you attach to my views. And have a good dose of flu vaccinations .

How many of you had taken all vaccine shots "offered" and " ordered" by the state? Are you plethora of health? Do you belive so strongly in vaccine industry so that you would risk your child with it? Or will you demand independent (if that is still possible) evaluation of results of the new vaccines? Instead of flaming war between pro and anti vaccination ,there should be logical view of the stands. I am pro science, also I do not beleive in truthfullnes of "scientific" results offered by the vaccine industry. And since there are no independent studies ( untainted by donations or personal contact with the industry) I stay by "do not harm" doctrine. Obviously you do not know all the efects of "modern" vaccine ofered on the market, so "do no harm" principle should point "take no vaccine if not urgently needed" direction. I would like to see if the owners and board of directors of the vaccine industry take all the vaccines they sell , also does their children take all those offered vaccines. I would also like to see do the doctors that preach vaccination take the doctrine and offer public data about vaccination of their children and family. Without that , vaccines are just a product that sells good in time of public fear, but it won't give you a more healty life othervise.

Of course one of the previous posts said that the moon is the high ground and that is said in reference to Earth. But I would let a more sci/fi attitude to that, the planet without outer defences in solar system is ripe for destruction and we have no military resources out there. Even dealing with natural threat of asteroids we have better chances if we have outposts out there. On the other side what kind of chance do we have against a single ship out there bombing us with KEVs? No chance at all without posts in solar system. Moon should be the start. Of course that there are those who will see another round of weapons race and maybe he will also be partially right. But the truth is future of humanity is out there and we can hope that we will survive space weapons race as we did the nuclear race. Also who knows what awaits out there? But on the other side perhaps maybe someone knows more then us. What are we in the sea of starts? The survival of human race will probably take many changes in our society and for sure we wont like it at all.

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Being a BOFH is the only way to be undisturbed by regular stupidity of the users who makes the same mistakes again and again . Sorry being a BOFH works. On the other side being nice gets you dead. Better to be a living BOFH then nice dead.

We must free internet from state control, and also from big corporate control. Internet infrastructure should be in the control of comunity, not in control of profit and state.

With so many resources as Microsoft has, they have done a lousy job about going in to futuristic OS what they are is a good money making machine, for share owners this is a golden goose. But for anyone who is interested in making a better or at least more techy future ala GITS or ST or like any other good sf futuristic style they are the worst you can find on earth, and what is more , they employed a lot of talents that could make better things, and now they are only earning a lot of money, but they are in the system and there is nothing that they could do anymore , they are futuristicly dead. Having billions of dolars and making a piss poor job of getting the world in to a better future at least in technical way sucks. They are the reason why I more and more hate capitalism, but then there are google, youtube, linux and I find that there is not everything black, but still they suckk.