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Could Bitcoin Go Legit? 300

Velcroman1 writes "On May 15, the Department of Homeland Security seized a digital bank account used by 'MtGox,' the world's largest exchange, where people buy and sell bitcoins. DHS alleged, and a judge agreed, that there is 'probable cause' that MtGox is an 'unlicensed money service business.' If proven, the penalty for operating such a business is a fine and up to 5 years in jail. FoxNews.com caught up with several bitcoin exchanges, including CampBX, MtGox, CoinLab and more, to ask them how they've navigated the regulatory waters — and how to go legit." In other shady bitcoin news, it appears the demise of Liberty Reserve has caused hackers to find a new alternative. twoheadedboy writes "Despite suggestions Bitcoin might be the ideal currency for dealers on the dark web, it appears Perfect Money, a Panama-based operation, is proving the most popular alternative to the now-defunct Liberty Reserve. A source working the underground forums told TechWeekEurope that, for now, fraudsters are rapidly migrating to Perfect Money. Many vendors have started accepting it, having previously primarily used Liberty Reserve, which was shut down following the arrest of its founder and four other members this past week. Internet fraudsters might be interested in Perfect Money as it has distanced itself from the U.S., cutting off all new American registrations. However, one forum user said he was turned down by Perfect Money as their 'type of activity is not welcome.' Other currencies may yet win out."

Comment Re:How do they remove anonimity? (Score 1) 158

I wouldn't say mixing services are only for the really paranoid. I think it's a good idea for anyone with significant funds in bitcoins to put some distance between their long-term storage and their spending wallets. You wouldn't want that bar owner in Kreuzberg to see you have thousands of dollars or more worth of bitcoins just because you paid them for a beer. If Bitcoin keeps gaining traction and people do not start mixing their coins, someone will get hurt because of this - mark my words.

Comment Re:In the 2020s bitcoins will run out anyway (Score 1) 334

Yes, and that's true, although in a pretty technical sense. Bitcoins are entries in a public ledger, the blockchain. They are quite resilient to destruction. The private encryption keys that allow one to transfer ownership of those coins, however, can be lost. The coins remain, but are for all practical purposes unspendable.

The AC in question was making a technical point about the difference between bitcoins and encryption keys. They did not claim personal backups aren't necessary, or that the blockchain is of help to a user who has lost their keys. I'm not sure it was a very pertinent point - the original claim was that bitcoins would "run out". They won't, but it's not because the blockchain is what it is. It's because there's no reason the software can't be modified to allow arbitrary divisibility. As long as even a fraction of a bitcoin is usable, any amount of trade can be conducted with it by dividing the coin up into smaller pieces.

Comment Re:In the 2020s bitcoins will run out anyway (Score 1) 334

Also, you can, of course, let others store your bitcoins for you. It's just not a particularly good idea at this time, since there is not, and in fact can not be, any company reputable enough to act as a bank for bitcoins. In my view, anyway. Later on, assuming Bitcoin continues to gain traction, I expect that problem will be remedied. The simplest solution would be for an existing financial institution to start offering Bitcoin banking, although I expect bitcoin deposits won't have the same kind of legal protections as fiat deposits do for quite a while to come.

Comment Re:In the 2020s bitcoins will run out anyway (Score 1) 334

Replying to your what-happens:

If someone breaks the encryption:
Hard to say, exactly. Assuming a full breach of SHA256, things would be pretty bad, the worse the longer it takes for the breach to be publicized. Once it is, the consensus would likely be to cease accepting Bitcoin transactions until a fix is issued - likely moving to a different algorithm, and considering all or some transactions since the breach retroactively invalid. There would be a lot of drama over this, understandably, and I don't know how long such a fix would take to implement technically. It would be a big deal and Bitcoin might not survive it, but that's not a given. Then again, being able to break SHA256 at will would be quite remarkable and would have serious repercussions for a lot of people quite apart from Bitcoin users. I'm not at all convinced breaking Bitcoin would be the best way to use such a trump card.

If someone steals and publicizes "decryption keys":
I assume you mean people's private keys used to control their bitcoins? This is like any other theft - if someone steals large amounts of cash and decides to redistribute it, robin-hood style, the victims are left without their money and some other people have more money than before, and a moral dilemma to go with the funds.

Quantum computers:
I'll point you to the Bitcoin wiki entry on the issue: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Quantum_computers_would_break_Bitcoin.27s_security

Comment Re:Kind of innevitable and entirely reasonable (Score 2) 297

The title is misleading. Bitcoin transactions aren't being taxed, as far as I can tell. Sales denominated in bitcoins are subject to VAT (or similar), and government-currency-denominated gains from selling bitcoins for other currency will be taxed. Sending bitcoins from one wallet to another isn't, per se, subject to tax. As far as I can tell.

Comment Re:Conversion (Score 1) 595

I suspect if potatoes were trivial to transport anywhere, they'd be OK as currency. I fully expect to see a pretty big rethinking of the difference between barter and currency-mediated trade as computerized, unfalsifiable bookkeeping systems like bitcoin make it easier to transfer value between different physical places.

Comment Re:Conversion (Score 1) 595

"Last I checked (which wasn't very long ago), it was costing in the neighborhood of around $30 to mine a bitcoin, if you add up the amortized equipment cost, time and electricity. Yet Bitcoins went up as high as $250. " Currently miners find 3600 new bitcoins a day, on average, however much resources they expend in the process. Some fraction of those are held, some are sold immediately or close to it. If daily global demand for bitcoins is more than the fraction of new coins sold, a price above the cost of mining is inevitable. That doesn't mean there isn't a bubble right now, but it's pretty clear the "proper" price of a bitcoin is determined by more than just the cost of mining.

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