"close to a 100% chance of not getting in the first place"??? That may be true for YOU, but it is decidedly NOT true for me!

I have quite a number of friends who have gotten COVID (maybe 10%).
I have 12 friends-of-friends who are dead from COVID.

Some of those who had COVID have got "long COVID", which is no joke.

I have a *lot* of friends who have been vaccinated (90%+): of these:
I have no friends, or friends of friends, who are dead from the vaccines.
I have no friends, or friends of friends, who continue to have effects from the vaccines. There were plenty of short term effects, and a few mid-term effects, but these all resolved. They're all fine now.

And you also did not look at the reasonably long term studies of the delivery mechanisms of the vaccines, which are *not* new.

Last, nothing is ever perfectly safe. The point is that from my direct experience, and my friends-of-friends survey that I've been doing, the vaccines are waaaay safer than COVID. Oh, and the 90% of my friends who were vaccinated? Very few of them have had COVID. Of the 10% of my friends who didn't get vaccinated? About 50% got COVID-so far.

--PeterM

The poster you responded to provided links that explicitly refute your claim "product tested over a few months".

First, it's been almost a year with COVID shots in widespread use. Longer if you include clinical trials.

Second, the link you apparently didn't read shows long term studies of the delivery mechanism for the COVID vaccines. Decades worth of studies.

Viral vector vaccines have been studied since the 70's. Also in the link you apparently didn't read.

The viral development process is designed to help discover safety issues too, and has been going on longer than "a few months".

You could have read all these arguments linked to by the original poster, but didn't. You didn't respond to any of them effectively. I don't think your thought processes are worth much, because they are so obviously shallow.

--PeterM

The original post on this thread is correct in that very few kids die of COVID in the 5-11 age range. More kids die in car accidents. However, those kids can be vectors to give COVID to others. Vaccination helps with this a bit.

Also, even with that low death rate, the FDA and CDC are saying that getting the shot is less risky than getting COVID for that age range.

COVID doesn't have to kill you, after all, to make you miserable for a long time. Losing one's sense of smell and taste is a big bummer. Brain fog is a big bummer. Blood clots are also big bummers. All of these happen less frequency to kids, but they all happen.

And then, of course, there's your duty to everyone else. A vaccinated person is less likely to spread COVID. Apparently not a lot less, but less. Your right to swing your virus ends at someone else's nose.

You missed a key point, it's not just the energy of the eruption, it's the massive stored potential energy of a giant slab of mountain that suddenly slides into the sea, and gets converted MUCH more efficiently into tsunami than just a straight-up volcanic eruption. It's the big landslide, not any particular single eruption that creates the megatsunami.

Here's a PDF describing this threat in more detail.
https://websites.pmc.ucsc.edu/...

Hello,

    The British have been doing studies that show that it's pretty effective to switch up the vaccines, but Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are extremely similar in the antigens they present to the immune system.

    Both train the immune system to recognize the spike protein on the original COVID-19 strain. The other immunizations, such as Johnson and Johnson, astro-zeneca, etc., are substantially different.

    So from an antigen perspective, there's not a lot of point to switching between the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines. However, reports of side effects seem milder for Pfizer, so i can see a lot of people who had Moderna vaccines turning to Pfizer for a booster--if it's allowed.

--PM

Your numbers seem to be off. I searched VAERS and found 4987 "death" reported for COVID vaccines.

Now suppose your claim of only 1% reported is true. That means 498,700 deaths from COVID vaccines. I have had 10 first-hand reports of friends-of-friends dying of COVID. Zero reports of friends-of-friends (or friends) dying from the vaccine. I should have heard of about 8 vaccine deaths if your claims are right. Instead, I have 0 first-hand reports of people dying from the vaccine. I simply do not believe that my first-hand reports would falsely report COVID deaths and falsely suppress reports of deaths from COVID vaccines. Instead, I think my friends are not liars and both numbers are fairly reliable.

Therefore, evidence in hand from my first-hand reports is that your claim of only 1% of vaccine adverse events being reported is false in the case of "death".

Let's then assume that the 13k number you cite, which I dispute, is actually true. We have 600k-ish deaths attributed to COVID.

That makes COVID vaccination about 50x safer than getting COVID.

Bottom line, go get vaccinated--ASAP.

--PeterM

Or in other words, a glass made of carbon "arranged in ball-like structures" that are then pressure and heat treated to produce the glass.

To me that means they pay higher health insurance premiums to cover their risk.

It also means that they can be sued for damages by people who they in turn infect because they haven't done their due diligence in preventing spread--namely, the extremely safe and effective measure of getting vaccinated.

--PM

Mandates for vaccines are astonishingly effective.

**Health care organizations are requiring caregivers to get vaccinate be fired. Very few of them choose to be fired.

**Vaccination rates are going up when you get denied entry to restaurants and other public venues when you are unvaccinated.

What we need to do is start ensuring that those who CHOOSE not to get vaccinated (I'm excepting medical exemptions) bear the cost and consequences of their choice.

Not vaccinated? Can't work here. Good luck finding another job.
Not vaccinated? Can't eat here. Can't take your kids to school here.
Not vaccinated? Your INSURANCE PREMIUMS WILL GO UP, YOU ARE WELCOME. FREEDOM ISN'T FREE.

Not vaccinated and you spread COVID? Guess what, you are LEGALLY liable, and the test will be whether a preponderance of evidence suggests you spread it to the victim suing you. Now you get to pay for damages, lost wages, wrongful death, hospital fees, from you negligently spreading COVID because you were unvaccinated.

Freedom ain't free folks. It's time to stop coddling the freeloaders.

--PeterM

A likely explanation is simple mental defect. Roughly 1% of people have outright defective brains. I.e., mentally ill.

And even people who aren't consistently mentally ill can have transient hallucinations. Think visual migraines....

It's a lot harder to use this explanation on things that multiple people have seen.

--PM

Your question made me interested so I searched.
Here's what I found:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/i...

Here's what it said, in summary:
90% had mild covid
1/3 had "lingering effects"

"Many of these were young and no pre-existing conditions."

76% of those hospitalized in Wuhan had at least one symptom that persisted 6 months, mostly fatigue or muscle weakness".

"35 to 50% of non-hospitalized patents had symptoms 2-4 months later."

From a study of 177 lab-confirmed COVID infected:
6.2% no symptoms.
84.7% were outpatients
9% were hospitalized.

32% of outpatients reported one persistent symptom:
Fatigue, 13.6%,
loss of smell or taste, 13.6%,
13% other symptoms,
2.3% brain fog.

So I read that as, if you get COVID positive and have symptoms:
9% chance of ending up hospitalized
13.6% chance of lingering fatigue
13.6% chance of loss of smell or taste
2.3% brain fog
13% other
Overall risk of death seems to be .5 to 1%.

I really don't want any of that. I got vaccinated.

To put a personal spin on this, in the group of people connected with me, there are 5 people who are friends-of-friends who are dead from COVID-19. I only know 3 people directly who I know have had COVID.

On the other hand, I know literally dozens of people who've gotten vaccinated. No vaccine fatalities I've heard of in my friends or friends-of-friends. Only lingering adverse effect I know of in this group is my friend who says his toes are sore, so far for about a month after vaccination.

So even within 2 degrees of separation from me, 5 COVID deaths out of not all that many cases, and only one case of a lingering effect from the vaccine with a *lot* of folks getting the vaccine.

So yes, I think all the vaccines are a good bet vs. having an actual case of COVID.

Not to mention your duty as a human being. Yes, your duty. It's us humans vs. COVID. By getting vaccinated, you reduce your chance of giving all that risk of death or lingering badness to someone else. Right now pretty much every case of COVID is leading to another case. That means if you get COVID, you're probably going to give it to someone.

I'd much rather advance the cause of humanity by taking a small risk and being experimented upon with these new-ish vaccines than give some damn virus free rein to experiment on humans and maybe mutate into worse.

It's humans vs. COVID-19. Pick a side. Get vaccinated.

--PeterM

For some individuals, the risk calculation isn't purely self-centered, but also includes the risk he or she presents to others.

Remember, getting vaccinated isn't only about protecting yourself, it's about protecting those around you.

Preliminary evidence suggests that the vaccines are good at suppressing transmission: (this is not an unexpected result)

https://www.healthline.com/hea...

  https://www.healthline.com/hea...

Personally, I would take a far riskier vaccine than the one I got just for the sake of reducing my odds of giving COVID to someone. I figure my baseline maximum risk of severe vaccine problems was about 6 in 100,000 (this is vs. a risk of about 1000 in 100,000 for severe COVID).

It's really simple, either you get the vaccine or you risk not only your own life but you risk the lives of people exposed to you. For me, that's a powerful motivator to get vaccinated. People should start thinking of getting vaccinated (not just vaccinated for COVID) as a basic service to humanity in general.

--PeterM

Sir, you're quite correct about "your governor" having his head up his rear end.

You're going to end up with a much worse overall outcome if you slow down vaccination to enforce "perfect justice" in who gets a shot in what order, than if you rapidly vaccinate with less regard for getting the ordering perfect.

Remember, every shot in every arm protects everyone, even if they did not get a shot. That means, even if someone jumps a line in front of me, I *still* benefit because that line-jumper is less likely to be a vector and give COVID to me, or give COVID to someone to give to me.

Bottom line, yes, make an attempt to optimize the ordering of who gets vaccinated when, but don't be RELIGIOUS about it--instead, just get the job done and tolerate some errors! Because even the "errors" help everyone.

--PeterM

but not from overdosing on vitamin A. Carrots don't have vitamin A in them. They have beta carotene, not vitamin A. Your body turns beta carotene into vitamin A as needed.

https://consumer.healthday.com...

My current machine is using an AMD CPU because of the Spectre and other security issues of Intel CPUs.

I voted with my dollars.

Shame on you, Intel.

--PeterM