I don't know .NET, i think you are right.

JavaFX has other advantages for Java developers. I clearly know and accept that a .NET developer never will be a Java developer and vica versa, because they have projects to support. How could they? JavaFX allows you to use your preexisting classes, write real programs, etc. such as silverlight.

I'm sorry, but i was just talking about JavaFX vs. Flash, not Silverlight. Maybe Silverlight will win overall, because it has a better GUI IDE and fancy stuffs, and these are important for existing Flash developers. Sun has a weak(er) spot here, for example i would pay a lot for an Expression Blend for Java :)

Not competitors i meant for Java. JavaFX is the competitor now based on Java

My personal opinion is that maybe the graphics and other 'cool' tools embedded in the JavaFX may not be better than Flash etc, but you have the power of Java with you! That is the difference that i always dreamt of: having a cool framework to make cool websites and in parallel have the power to make these web sites not just cool animated but do something after some relatively easy programming (compared to a business application in flash... hah!)

My website has google analytics installed. I have a lot of visitors brought by google adwords, it's in hungary. Google analytics told me that it's 91.43% (now checked) who has java installed.

I have to admit that only 1.84% did not have some flash versions installed

I think it's pretty awesome for java, as it's not the everyone's tool to make cool (and idiot) web page designs but a serious programming platform, so not really competitors. You can read about Jonathan's blog about it too (ceo of sun)

Yes, and Java coverage is 90%+ too.

Hey, don't pretend like you have a choice anyway. Vista is co crap, that you have your choice now. If Windows 7 will be good enough, hw vendors stop writing Xp drivers, and your choice vaporised.

How could we describe things in a general, standardized way when we are humans!! :) We simply cannot understand each other and cannot have two people thinking the same way! I think it's already proved/understandable that you simply CANNOT implement this thingy-wingy the way that works for everyone.

Linux is sailing extremely fast but sadly in a lot of directions :)