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Comment Re:Well, this should be interesting... (Score 1) 449

If you read other reports, the autopilot disengaged when the air speed indicator was no longer reliable.
The junior pilot took over and kept the nose up even when the stall indicator warning (stick shaker?) came on. Through the 3 minute decent he kept 15 degrees nose up. No way they hit v-max. Engines were at full power... as commanded. Supposedly they had stall warnings all the way down.

I seem to remember that some planes the pitot tube also works for the altimeter. It is possible they didn't know how high they were.... or didn't believe the altimeter.

Comment Re:Umm, no... (Score 2) 449

Uhm, that's vertical speed. The problem is the plane slowed down to the point it couldn't maintain proper airflow over the wings. Thus the stall warning.... and well, the stall. Unexplained is why the pilots kept the nose of the plane up. I would imagine at some point that would cause a spin. The recovery procedure for a stall is full power and nose down until your airspeed comes up again.... your forward air speed.

My only thoughts is that the pilots didn't believe the stick shaker since they were pretty sure the speed sensor had failed. So when they started to feel gravity again, they had assumed they had recovered from the stall. Amazing they didn't just turn it into a flat spin... or maybe it was...

Bottom line, without an indicated air speed, its is extremely difficult to figure out how close you are to death. Note that the air speed pitot tubes sometimes double as air pressure indicators..... which is used to get altitude as well. I thought they would have backups... but maybe not.

Wait for the final report.

Comment Re:Umm, no... (Score 2) 449

Its not free fall. Once the plane descends at a steady rate, the passengers inside would feel normal gravity.

Only if the plane continues to accelerate downwards would it continue to feel like free fall.

Having been in a plane that was intentionally stalled, It is pretty much like a roller coaster. No one expects a roller coaster at 35,000ft.

Comment Re:If you didn't pat down everybody... (Score 2) 570

You are an idiot. You sir, would qualify for a job at the TSA.

The point trying to be made is that since the TSA is almost totally ineffective (by all evidence so far) whether they include everyone or not in their searches is completely irrelevant to security.

Try this for size, the odds that your plane will be blown up by terrorists are estimate at 1:30million. The odds of getting cancer from the screening machine are also 1:30million. Its just the second option costs you a boat load of money and time and your privacy.

http://boingboing.net/2010/11/19/odds-of-cancer-from.html

Comment Re:Meanwhile in line... (Score 1) 570

Presumption of innocence is a legal term.

It governs how a person is treated before the courts. Outside the trial, "probable cause" rules.

Just one example:
If a judge thinks someone who is being charged with a crime is a flight risk or a danger to society (based on probable cause) bail is often denied (i.e. the person is kept in jail). No presumption of innocence there.

Comment Re:Meanwhile in line... (Score 1) 570

No, they were not innocent.

Planning an illegal act and making an overt step to put that plan in motion is illegal in itself.
Buying weapons, explosives, potentially the training with the weapons and explosives. Lying on some forms etc. all potential violations of law.

Comment Re:2 questions for the TSA (Score 2) 570

You are of course correct, there is a possibility that the TSA has deterred terrorist. Unfortunately, there is equal evidence to suggest they have also deterred elephants from getting on planes as well as aliens from outer space.

Hint: you are fighting an organization that has no qualms about using suicide bombers and killing innocents. Your deterrent is that some of them might get caught?

Please read any study on "asymmetric warfare" and its tactics.

Comment Re:Terrorists who were trained in Afghanistan by A (Score 2) 1855

lIt's a matter of finding what is reasonable and what actually works, something I think they are a long way from yet. It's the right focus but totally the wrong technique.

I would argue it is in fact the wrong focus. It is focusing on millions of innocent travelers. Lets put it another way. With all the bomb detecting and gun detecting technology employed, how many terrorists were caught... ever? How many terrorist bombs were detected?... ever?

zero.

Of the terrorist that were actually stopped, it was done by passengers!

Comment The difference between training and education (Score 1) 609

In a world where companies seem to want short term solutions - training is important. They will throw you away when your training no longer matches their perceived needs."Our client is having issues - they need to expand to 1000 plus machine server farm and the latency in our product is killing them" "Sorry, that is not covered in my training"

Comment Re:Malfunction voids all plays and pays (Score 1) 611

The problem is, they apparently didn't win by the definition of 'win'. Only the machine looked like it won. The machine never even logged the fact that someone got a payout.

Seems like these clowns found a way to make the machine flash its lights - unclear if they even had to pull the lever.

They machines list the payout... something like 4 'whatevers' in a row, and you get the jackpot. The machine doesn't say "If the lights flash, you get the jackpot".

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