I never said that nobody wants a car, I said nobody needs a car. Of course having a car is better, especially when it rains but in reality it is not really needed in a city like this unless you live in the suburbs.
Whether Chinese people need a car is not up to you to decide, the auction has shown there is a high demand for cars, and owning one is very expensive comparing to the USA.
If you get paid 10000 RMB and cannot afford a 100 RMB is because you are spending too much money in something else.
Of course, people need to save up for buying apartment/car, also need to save up for medical emergencies and marriages/children's education.
My Canadian friend gets paid about that and we do pretty much whatever we want, trips to other cities included. 10000 RMB is good money here, especially when some Chinese are making like 4000 RMB.
10k RMB is good money if you don't need to save money for any of the above expenses, this may be true for a Canadian, but very wrong for a Chinese. This is why your assessment of a regular Chinese life is deeply flawed, since you have no idea of the big expenses they need to cope with, you're just looking at the surface.
Nobody does 2000 RMB here unless you are talking dirt poor. Hell even the ayis make more than 3000 RMB here per month because she told me.
2k RMB used to be common, but it's disappearing, this is the point I'm trying to make, Chinese wages are increasing fast, they won't be the cheap labor you want them to be any longer.
And by the way, not all Chinese products are utter crap not is the food either.
No, just those intended to sell to the Chinese themselves. Chinese products exported to the US and other western countries are fairly good because they had to gone through western quality control, but if the products are intended for sale in China it is crap since the government does not enforce consumer protection laws and is actively trying to prevent consumers from protecting themselves. You do know lawyers are asked not to help victims to file suits against Sanlu in the 2008 toxic milk scandal?
As far as the education system, I don't think you even read the article. It was determined they were number one based on a very important international test done by the OECD. Finland and Canada are other countries that scored high.
I don't think you even read my replies: Chinese student needs to compete with other Chinese student for university entrance, they don't need to compete with Finland and Canada students, so how Chinese student compares to Finland and Canada student is irrelevant here. What is relevant is Chinese student need to go to a good school in order to have a good chance of entering a good university, and this will cost the parent money, a lot of money.
But anyways, this makes me realize that you have a deep hatred of China for a reason unknown to me, so while you can think everything is crap compared to wherever you are, I can at least tell you that a lot of people enjoy living here, including myself, so it cannot be that bad right?
I have a deep hatred of the communist party and the authoritarian government of China, this does not extend to the Chinese people. It is you who are trivializing the hardship the Chinese people are facing under this dictatorship, and if you can read Chinese forums, you'll know a lot of people are not happy with the government. I can tell you from personal experience the government is very bad, frankly you sound like a propaganda officer for the government (so called "50 cents"), although your English is very good for such a job.
Dude I am in Shanghai so drop the crap.
So? Being in Shanghai means nothing, did you see the pigs flowing down the river? Do you know how many H7N9 death occured in Shanghai already?
The only reason for a license to cost that much is because of the auction and limited license plates. It is a measure of the city in its fight to reduce pollution,
That doesn't matter, the fact is it's very expensive to own a car in Shanghai due to the high population density.
and much like New York, you don't need a car in Shanghai.
Right, then explain how the license is auctioned to such a high price if nobody wants a car in Shanghai. Sure you can take the subway, but it's very crowded during rush hours.
Second of all, very rarely you see people in here buying Chinese cars. Most of the cars you see out there are Buicks and Volkswagen. It was funny to me that anybody was buying Buicks anymore.
Yes, they're joint produced between Chinese company and GM/VW, they're cheaper than imported cars, but just last month state television revealed joint produced cars uses toxic material for vibration dumpers.
Again, kind of pointless in a city where you pay $2.30 for a cab ride in the inner ring.
$2.3 is just the starting charge, for a ride less than 3km and no congestion.
Regarding food, you could not more wrong. I never cook at home since restaurants are so cheap. And I usually eat either at European or American restaurants, Hong Kong style chains like Bi Feng Tang or Japanese Teppanyakis. In those places you end up paying around 100 RMB for really good food.
You do realize your cheap Chinese manufacturing worker only get 2,000 to 3,000 RMB per month? They can never afford what you're eating. Even the engineers with 3 to 5 years of experience only get 10,000RMB per month, they can only afford 100RMB meals during weekends, assuming they don't want to save money to buy an apartment.
Now you can also go very cheap and eat noodles and the typical Chinese food for as low as 12 RMB. The quality of the food is good since this is not exactly industrialized food like milk powder or things like that that are usually the problem.
Like you know anything about food quality in China, do you know that oil recycled from wastes is used to cook these food?
Here the only overpriced stuff is imported goods. Like a box of Kellog's Smacks can go for 88 RMB in expensive stores like City Shop or Ole (think Dean and De Luca in the US), but if you go to Carrefour you can get Cheerios for 25 RMB.
Imported goods are what Chinese wants to buy because they're the only products that have any quality, see the rush to buy foreign milk products for an example.
And for school quality, I suggest you inform yourself better. Here is something for you http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/shanghai-educational-triumphs-a-lesson-in-test-taking/article2234418/page1/?service=mobile
It doesn't matter how Shanghai's education ranks in the world, since students in Shanghai are not competing with the world, they're competing with other Shanghai students and students from other parts of China. If you never heard of so called "education sponsorship payment", you have no idea about Chinese education.
Oh and believe me, people in here care a lot about quality. I have seen very fancy 3 bedroom serviced apartments in the top commercial district for as low as 10,000 RMB.
Yeah, like any Chinese workers can actually afford this, you do realize this equals to a months salary for a experienced Chinese engineer? And this price won't stay so low, since rents are increasing.
To be honest, I was just like you before I came here. After living here for a while I realize how screwed we are in certain areas.
Like what? Having good quality control on consumer products? Food safety? Cheap cars/gas/apartments? It's very simple to know which is better, western or China: just see how many western guys want to move to China and comparing to how many Chinese want to move to western countries, you'll know the answer.
Having said that, they do have issues. To me, the worst one is the great firewall, but the Chinese in general do not care since people use their own services here anyway, like Youku, QQ, Weibo, Baidu, etc.
Then I guess you've never heard of the term "crossing the wall" either.
How did you get marked Informative and associating "waiguolao" to a negative tone I will never know.
Because I'm right, just read the explanation for "luo" with ren radical in wikipedia.
I bet you think guilao is negative too.
Yes, "guilao" is negative.
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