Then dave562 you didn't stick around for the big bust. When Medal of Honor was released the cheats being used were from the pre-released copy of the game that still worked on the released version. Yes the cheating was bad then.
However PB was there but it wasn't not turned on yet and wasn't turned on until after the first game patch.
The situation of the game being released without PB being turned on, was a contractual thing between the company and EvenBalance. Once PB was turned on, it had an immediate impact with thousands of cheaters getting caught by PB. The game then settled down to being reasonably cheat free for quite some time until the usual next round of cheats and detection's as per usual.
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Your whine is very old and has been discussed to death regarding script banning. Likely you are just trolling but I'll give you the benefit of ignorance to a point.
You didn't get busted for JUST having a hex editor and a macro/scripting application. So stop the bull. You got nailed for one a of several things. I have no idea what one exactly but for example: In some games scripting certain game actions is considered cheating by the game company. They want those actions done by the player and not some script. So the game company asked for this type of cheating to be detected. It wasn't detected simply because you had those programs. The detection looked to see if it was hooked into the game. A similar situation regarded a hex editor hooked into the game. Once again not simply and innocently for just having it on your comp.
There are other examples but I won't go through them all.
Some types of people got very upset by this rule. In many cases they claimed it wasn't cheating because it wasn't some cheat they downloaded or because they used legit programs to automate an action. They simply could not get through their head that just because the game allowed some scripting, but had a problem that prevented the game from people from hooking (or other method) the keyboard and then automating that input as cheating. To speed up manual actions that were intended to make the player do manually is cheating.
my whole point even though I used a couple of examples is that you just weren't innocent as you claimed if PB itself detected the cheat. Perhaps you are thinking of some third party sites that banned you from their servers just because you had those programs in your game directory. Not just anywhere on your comp but specifically in the game directory. They banned because those editors should not be there normally and many cheats loaded those programs into the game directory. So EvenBalance or PB didn't bust you. Some game server admins set that rule via a third party service. Like it or not those servers are privately owned and they set the rules not you.
Sorry Requiem18th but you have no idea what you are talking about. You only think you know how PB worked. Hate to tell you but your blacklist idea was only a very tiny part.
Impy the Impiuos Imp You are right. But it was far worse than you could ever imagine with cheat rootkits
I used to be involved in this area for over 15 yrs. One thing that is very common in cheating are cheats sold/subscribed to over the internet. Having over the years examined these pay cheats, that claim to get around PunkBuster (PB), I have a few insights to share. Many times eventually PB would nail them, counter to claims on the websites. Usually when the numbers using the cheat make it worthwhile for PB to go after.
But here is the very serious side these cheats most don't know.
It's no surprise in finding out the cheats are rootkits, but the surprise are the extra payloads they carry or will carry when they get updated in time. The thieves that write the cheats don't stop at stealing the fun out of the game. Several of the bigger sellers in the past were also serious criminals. It was very common for them to hijack your comp to be used in their private botnets or to rent out. The other common theft were your logins and passwords. Many parent were surprised to find their credit cards, banking info was compromised, but worst was identity theft. These cheat criminals often stole directly from the sucker, but more often would just sell your info to others. One German cheat writer thought he was really smart. Once the client (usually a kid) stopped subscribing to his cheat, that was when he loaded up the nasty payloads. He made more money of this theft method than the cheat subscriptions he sold. All those past customers were the gift that just kept on giving.
As for Punkbuster as a product. Once it matured as a product it did a decent job at catching cheats for a long time (I haven't followed this stuff recently). One thing for sure. Valve's VAC was the worst product by far. Valve would only catch a tiny portion of the cheats as compared to PB and VAC very rarely ever caught private cheats. VAC also had the worst error rate of false detection. Sorry to vac fans but those were the stats.
I don't do this work in the game industry anymore, but I don't think things have changed much in the last few years.
What the originator must think about before forming an opinion.
Don't read motives of the Chinese from a western perspective. China's leaders and its people have never been exposed to or experienced free speech, and/or anything resembling democracy in their history. Understanding the why, or even if this is a significant development isn't so easy.
The only thing I read in that. They did something that caught the attention of any people or organizations that look for a political, democratic, human rights, free speech, or any shift in China to ward western values.
But for me, after decades of reading and past history as examples about China. Anything westerners may perceive or think resembles western values isn't necessarily or even close to what is going on. There just isn't that kind of common ground except that china does understand what makes westerners wet their pants.
The big story here is how evil this story really is.
Benevolent corporations strike again. If you can think up the most evil things a corporation could do, you are already to late. They have long ago studied it to see how your dream could generate or increase profits.
In the case of this story. Not only has this idea been around for a while, the movie companies, cable and others have always wanted a way to charge by person since VHS days and early cable that charged by TV connected. Thanks to kinect and the evil ideas by MS willing to carry it out. Now pay per person is within their grasp. As TV's begin to include cameras just like smart phones all have and as TVs converge to become giant smart phones, the market is then covered to a point of new mega profits within reach.
you lost the right of ownership of cds/dvds by being complacent. Now you will give up the privacy of your home by letting the corporation litterally strip search you and monitor who you associate with in your own home.
Not such a far reaching nightmare anymore is it? It's about to get much worse.
Yet another shocking story where the company figure the cost of full security QA is simply not needed. A belief based on the assumption that, no geek would do anything to hurt someone where they can see their face on the bus seat across from them.
In case no one has noticed. The stories and cases of drug resistant bacteria along with the lack of interest by pharmaceutical companies, have been circulating for years now.
Nothing to see here. In fact now you can go blind.
I guess you will just have to come to a civilized country and cross the Canadian Border for your gadget fix.
The US is so broken in so many ways and not just patents. The only fix is to revamp your whole political system to greatly degrade the power and influence of money bag carrying corporate lobby groups.
Real Users are afraid they'll break the machine -- but they're never afraid to break your face.