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Comment Re:No way... (Score 1) 822

John Q. Public isn't an idiot. If John Q. Public wants to know what the numbers mean, wants to know how to deal with actual raw data or acronyms, learning is *not* hard. There are thousands of websites devoted to these topics and plenty of textbooks for anyone interested to teach themselves rather than relying on a blog (!) to educate them. It's very, very similar to evolution denial: while a blog dealing with the topic will often go into wonkish topics and explanations (just like RealClimate), expecting them to educate you on every last detail, particularly related to raw data, is ridiculous. Perhaps if you *paid them* to spend their time teaching you how p values work (or whatever), you'd have a case. Otherwise, it's just a lazy demand to be educated, for free, from your armchair.

I have assumed for the sake of argument that your general story about RealClimate is true and that they did not address the topics you wanted them to.

Comment Re:Unsound extrapolation (Score 2, Interesting) 411

You touched on a key point: selection is contingent on environmental pressures, which need not be constant. The researchers are extrapolating 400 years into the future based on 50 years of data in a single town in Massachussets. Have they even pinpointed the selective pressure(s) doing this, assuming their results are significant? How do they know they'll continue and weren't random (random as in non-predictable)?

Comment Re:Ugh (Score 1) 899

Scientists already have to be good communicators, or at least a lot of them do, in order to do their jobs. They need to write those grants, converse with their colleagues/employees/students, teach students (in the case of college professors), etc.

I don't see a lot of airline pilots, software engineers, surgeons, and bus drivers dealing with the suggestion that they make public outreach an intrinsic part of their jobs as opposed to simply being a pilot, being a software engineer, being a surgeon, or a bus driver, as that's what they desire to do. A large number of scientists already make the time to to outreach - they tend to be those people focused on teaching or they're even busier (65+ hour weeks), which is not something you can reasonably expect everyone to do particularly given the complete lack of evidence that this will address the core problems with the public understanding, appreciation, and acceptance of science.

Comment Re:Anti-Christian Zealot Wrong Yet Again (Score 1) 899

I agree, it's quite possible to be a Christian (go to church, believe in the holiness of scripture, in various things about Jesus, etc) and appreciate science, even be a scientist. The same goes for other religions. The grandparent is wrong that you have to be a young earth creationist if you're Christian, but there is a slight truth to the sentiment: religion and science are opposing viewpoints by nature, it's only the *exception* when they are not conflicting in spirit. Science demands reason, empirical data, the testing of hypotheses, the burn of peer review. Religion has analogs, but there's always an extra (and usually ridiculous) premise that everyone accepts, either the notion of a somewhat magical creator, a prophet, miracles, etc, all of which lack reasonable evidence yet are *intrinsic* to the faith (at least one of them). It's possible to be a full appreciator of reason and science and still be religious. It's just not terribly common and for good reason.

Comment Re:Making Science and *Engineering* Relevant (Score 1) 899

Mod parent up. Teaching by applications is an excellent way to involve students for their entire lives in the beauty and reality of science. When you see how science and engineering are applied in everyday life, it stops being an intimidating topic where you know you haven't really learned much. You know that thermite has been used to weld the railroads through your state and that it proceeds through an oxidation-reduction reaction. You know that bridges are designed to maximize carrying capacity and safety vs. material cost and bulk and how you can do that. You know that the doppler effect applies in all kinds of situations and can allow you to locate objects and their relative velocities.

At the very least, it gives legitimacy to engineering and crafting, both of which are extremely valuable to our future economy and the latter of which is treated as a blue-collar job beneath the college-educated, which it shouldn't be.

Comment Ugh - reposted (Score 1) 899

Having finally read this book (despite low expectations), I can confirm that per the poor reviews it offers very little that's new. When it does forward a unique point of view, such as this suggestion that public communicator become part of the job of 'the scientist' (as in just about every scientist), it's absolutely ridiculous. Scientists usually have enough on their plates with little things like research, grant writing, internal politics, etc., without some science writers who completely lack data to back up their thesis telling them to start up and maintain a blog, column, or attend even more conventions. Those who do maintain such things tend to be either 1) incredibly busy, busier than I'd like to be, or 2) have a lighter research load than is desired by many. I'm not badmouthing option 2), it includes scientists who do try to focus more on public outreach and teaching, which is very admirable and valuable. Just don't expect every person interested in scientific research to want to devote their time to it.

All of this is a little beside the point, too. Sheril and Chris make a large part of their thesis into blaming the scientists for a lack of communication. It's why this recommendation quoted in this article is one of their only unique ones, unique in how extreme it is. While you can blame scientists for misrepresenting the importance of their research (not all research has a direct practical benefit, even if it's fantastic), blaming them for not being in the public sphere is difficult when we already have so many teaching scientists and public scientists who would love to come on television or radio and do attend conventions. The thing is, when they can even get on a show relevant to their expertise, they get a 2 minute blurb at best to dumb down their subject and try not to mess things up. They get paired with a creationist or 'holistic doctor' or just general ignoramus and have to spend their time (again, just a few minutes) attempting to debunk the inanity. That is not an environment conducive to educating the general public nor for raising appreciation for the sciences. The (partial) exception is public radio, where scientists can speak about their research for twenty minutes to an hour on something like Science Friday.

By focusing on scientists, they avoid the larger problems with the public's appreciation of science. Everyone here at slashdot knows about the fantastic solar cells that are 'just around the corner' and other tech predictions which never come to market and the same applies to science articles in general: there's a glut of misrepresented research which has been illegitimately hyped up for sensationalism, especially in medicine. Such irresponsible journalism, supported by low-level science journalists as well as their editors (either one can make a piece way too hyped), leads to a mistrust of news about scientific breakthroughs. Now, I don't have data for that (just like Sheril and Chris!), but I know that I ignore every article about a scientific breakthrough just around the corner unless I have to 1) debunk it or 2) it's related to my major and I know that other people do the same. Furthermore, journalists often simply don't understand the science they're reporting and make serious errors. Chris knows this, he's criticized shoddy science journalism in the past on his blog and made it into a theme. He knows that it hurts the reputations of scientists and the general undestanding of science. Apparently, however, rather than promoting good science reporting directly or finding a market solution to avoiding too much hype, it's time to blame the scientists for not reaching out enough.

Sorry, got on a bit of a rant there. Aside from poor journalism and a generally inhospitable media, there's also the problem of science education in school (mine was atrocious, in retrospect) and the elephant in the room: anti-intellectualism in all its forms, including a number of religious and political movements. Despite all of these forces working against the public's acceptance of science, scientists are still held in very high regard and science in general is still acceptable - at least in the minds of of the public. That's something for which there is real polling data and very recent data, too. Despite this, when it comes down to specific things like global warming, evolution, or basic science literacy, those same people will more often hold to the unscientific option. That's a problem which requires a multi-pronged approach due to the multiple forces shaping science illiteracy and acceptance, a more nuanced solution which somehow manages to be more specific than these expert communicators. Let's try some basics: teach the sciences using scientifically-proven teaching methods and have them taught by people who are scientifically literate (within reason, 1st grade teachers don't need to understand evolution). That doesn't seem like much to ask, does it? Yet even in my home state, Montana, where we get extremely high testing scores, I had a handful of teachers who outright didn't understand the basics of their subject, the research behind it, the scientific method, and how to teach it. This is absolutely unacceptable, particularly considering the high demand for teaching jobs in my locale. The underlying problem is surely due to administrative incompetence, hiring practices which are inadequate, keeping the incompetent employed for whatever reason, and a lack of funds to properly hire enough teachers. I often had history teachers trying to teach physics... I had to correct them as a 12-year-old and again in retrospect I knew very little about science. Before we blame scientists for a problem largely outside their control (there's plenty of good science communicators who simply get ignored), let's overhaul education. Let's fire the science journalists who do a terrible job - in fact, dropping the science section from your local newspaper might not be a bad idea if all it offers is boredom intermixed with misrepresentation. Let's do what we can to lobby politicians so that they'll at least stop fighting science when it's convenient, or do it less. Let's fight religious groups who oppose science and scientific literacy through lies and misrepresentation. Let's fight nonreligious groups who oppose science and scientific literacy through lies and misrepresentation.

That was a good place to end it, but I don't want to miss anything in my rant. A lot of people here have been saying that science is already political enough, keep scientists out of the public sphere. I disagree. I think that we need more scientific experts (we can quibble about whether we want to call them scientists) involved in education and public outreach as their main activity. People with PhDs and MScs in a relevant field who can make open commentary and actually, you know, want to do that. I know people (again from my hometown) who have Master's degrees and PhDs in a scientific field but work as grocery managers, business owners, civil serveants, etc., and would love to write articles - if there were an incentive. Combine that with a competent editor and it would be better than most science journalism today. Put someone like that into teaching and then - *gasp* - pay them a competitive rate. I would focus all of my efforts on teaching if I could make $60K/year within 5 years, but it's just no reasonable and I'm not willing to sacrifice my children's future financial security due to a love of teaching. I doubt I'm alone. We need all these things and more to change science literacy and acceptance (rather than claims of acceptance) in this country. We need it so it is no longer wonkish to talk about basic genetics, but interesting. We need it to stay competitive. We need it for crafting policy.

Comment Ugh (Score 2, Interesting) 899

Having finally read this book (despite low expectations), I can confirm that per the poor reviews it offers very little that's new. When it does forward a unique point of view, such as this suggestion that public communicator become part of the job of 'the scientist' (as in just about every scientist), it's absolutely ridiculous. Scientists usually have enough on their plates with little things like research, grant writing, internal politics, etc., without some science writers who completely lack data to back up their thesis telling them to start up and maintain a blog, column, or attend even more conventions. Those who do maintain such things tend to be either 1) incredibly busy, busier than I'd like to be, or 2) have a lighter research load than is desired by many. I'm not badmouthing option 2), it includes scientists who do try to focus more on public outreach and teaching, which is very admirable and valuable. Just don't expect every person interested in scientific research to want to devote their time to it.

All of this is a little beside the point, too. Sheril and Chris make a large part of their thesis into blaming the scientists for a lack of communication. It's why this recommendation quoted in this article is one of their only unique ones, unique in how extreme it is. While you can blame scientists for misrepresenting the importance of their research (not all research has a direct practical benefit, even if it's fantastic), blaming them for not being in the public sphere is difficult when we already have so many teaching scientists and public scientists who would love to come on television or radio and do attend conventions. The thing is, when they can even get on a show relevant to their expertise, they get a 2 minute blurb at best to dumb down their subject and try not to mess things up. They get paired with a creationist or 'holistic doctor' or just general ignoramus and have to spend their time (again, just a few minutes) attempting to debunk the inanity. That is not an environment conducive to educating the general public nor for raising appreciation for the sciences. The (partial) exception is public radio, where scientists can speak about their research for twenty minutes to an hour on something like Science Friday.

By focusing on scientists, they avoid the larger problems with the public's appreciation of science. Everyone here at slashdot knows about the fantastic solar cells that are 'just around the corner' and other tech predictions which never come to market and the same applies to science articles in general: there's a glut of misrepresented research which has been illegitimately hyped up for sensationalism, especially in medicine. Such irresponsible journalism, supported by low-level science journalists as well as their editors (either one can make a piece way too hyped), leads to a mistrust of news about scientific breakthroughs. Now, I don't have data for that (just like Sheril and Chris!), but I know that I ignore every article about a scientific breakthrough just around the corner unless I have to 1) debunk it or 2) it's related to my major and I know that other people do the same. Furthermore, journalists often simply don't understand the science they're reporting and make serious errors. Chris knows this, he's criticized shoddy science journalism in the past on his blog and made it into a theme. He knows that it hurts the reputations of scientists and the general undestanding of science. Apparently, however, rather than promoting good science reporting directly or finding a market solution to avoiding too much hype, it's time to blame the scientists for not reaching out enough.

Sorry, got on a bit of a rant there. Aside from poor journalism and a generally inhospitable media, there's also the problem of science education in school (mine was atrocious, in retrospect) and the elephant in the room: anti-intellectualism in all its forms, including a number of religious and political movements. Despite all of these forces working against the public's acceptance of science, scientists are still held in very high regard and science in general is still acceptable - at least in the minds of of the public. That's something for which there is real polling data and very recent data, too. Despite this, when it comes down to specific things like global warming, evolution, or basic science literacy, those same people will more often hold to the unscientific option. That's a problem which requires a multi-pronged approach due to the multiple forces shaping science illiteracy and acceptance, a more nuanced solution which somehow manages to be more specific than these expert communicators. Let's try some basics: teach the sciences using scientifically-proven teaching methods and have them taught by people who are scientifically literate (within reason, 1st grade teachers don't need to understand evolution). That doesn't seem like much to ask, does it? Yet even in my home state, Montana, where we get extremely high testing scores, I had a handful of teachers who outright didn't understand the basics of their subject, the research behind it, the scientific method, and how to teach it. This is absolutely unacceptable, particularly considering the high demand for teaching jobs in my locale. The underlying problem is surely due to administrative incompetence, hiring practices which are inadequate, keeping the incompetent employed for whatever reason, and a lack of funds to properly hire enough teachers. I often had history teachers trying to teach physics... I had to correct them as a 12-year-old and again in retrospect I knew very little about science. Before we blame scientists for a problem largely outside their control (there's plenty of good science communicators who simply get ignored), let's overhaul education. Let's fire the science journalists who do a terrible job - in fact, dropping the science section from your local newspaper might not be a bad idea if all it offers is boredom intermixed with misrepresentation. Let's do what we can to lobby politicians so that they'll at least stop fighting science when it's convenient, or do it less. Let's fight religious groups who oppose science and scientific literacy through lies and misrepresentation. Let's fight nonreligious groups who oppose science and scientific literacy through lies and misrepresentation.
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James Murdoch Criticizes BBC For Providing "Free News" 703

Hugh Pickens writes "News Corporation's James Murdoch says that a 'dominant' BBC threatens independent journalism in the UK and that free news on the web provided by the BBC made it 'incredibly difficult' for private news organizations to ask people to pay for their news. 'It is essential for the future of independent digital journalism that a fair price can be charged for news to people who value it,' says Murdoch. 'The expansion of state-sponsored journalism is a threat to the plurality and independence of news provision.' In common with the public broadcasting organizations of many other European countries, the BBC is funded by a television license fee charged to all households owning a television capable of receiving broadcasts. Murdoch's News Corporation, one of the world's largest media conglomerates, owns the Times, the Sunday Times and Sun newspapers and pay TV provider BSkyB in the UK and the New York Post, Wall Street Journal, and Fox News TV in the US." Note that James Murdoch is the son of Rupert Murdoch.

Comment Re:The Implications of the Alternative (Score 1) 349

Peer reviewers at journals are commonly paid. I know this is an old issue, but I felt the urge to comment (massage that ego, yeeaaahhh). I'm all for volunteer reviewing, which also happens, but adopting as a norm by law (implied by copyright law reform in academia) is as I said: a dangerous experiment. Scientists are busy people who already sacrifice quite a bit of their science in outreach and teaching, when they're in academia. Asking that they not get paid to be reviewers may not work out to be as beneficial as pure public access, as valuable as that would be.

Comment Controls? (Score 1) 921

I'm having trouble finding the actual study (which seems to be a meta-analysis more than original research). Does it have controls? Does it actually compare a set of people who are randomly assigned organic vs. nonorganic foods? If not, it's not at all conclusive. The fact that they desire a longitudinal study implies to me that they did not have such a control...

And don't get me wrong, the 'organic' craze has a lot of BS in it. It's not healthier by default, certainly, nor is it necessarily more environmentally sound (the rules for being organic can allow environmentally worse procedures). A lot of nutritionally worthless foods get labeled 'organic' as if that makes them healthier ('organic' butter will still go straight to your thighs...).

Comment Re:The Implications of the Alternative (Score 1) 349

Peer review does not end with publication, of course, but merely getting published is a substantial and important barrier, with the journal's peer reviewers being the guards. This is why citing from the peer-reviewed literature is important, for one example. It isn't perfect, but it's one extra layer of academic validity.

Does your post imply that you'd be fine with doing away with peer-reviewed journals?

Comment The Implications of the Alternative (Score 1) 349

What would replace the current system, exactly? Free peer review coupled with nearly-free publishing? Take a look at the PLoS, which is invaluable. However, it also does *not* have peer review because that requires maintaining a specific board of reviewers and at least one editor. This is why you can find unscientific trash like Intelligent Design 'papers' in there along with the world-class science. While I think the best situation for science would be great peer review with completely open access, I just don't see it working well without a huge amount of peer review volunteering, which could arguably switch the incentives for (peer-reviewer) performance completely around. If someone finds a solution to this, it would be great, but it's a dangerous experiment to simply throw out copyright in academia, particularly science.

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