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Comment Re:I remember this story (Score 1, Informative) 113

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/07/30/2322253/google-argues-against-net-neutrality [slashdot.org] its a dupe.

The original complaint I filed with the FCC, then the Kansas Attorney General, and then back to the FCC is here-

http://cloudsession.com/dawg/downloads/misc/kag-draft-2k121024.pdf

Another slashdot echo of the EFF's take is here-

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/08/13/2148245/eff-slams-google-fiber-for-banning-servers-on-its-network

Its the same dumb points from anonymous cowards.

Ad hominem much tuppe666? My name is Douglas McClendon.

Google want to charge businesses for attaching servers to the internet...and yet this has been twisted into a Net Neutrality argument,

Here is my twist, I'll just post a paragraph from 10-201 (aka 'Net Neutrality')

FCC-10-201 Paragraph 13 (see appendix B for the entirety) ...
(Under Section Heading:)
The Internet’s Openness Promotes Innovation, Investment, Competition, Free Expression, and Other National Broadband Goals
13.
Like electricity and the computer, the Internet is a "general purpose technology" that enables new methods of production that have a major impact on
the entire economy.(12) The Internet’s founders intentionally built a network that is open, in the sense that it has no gatekeepers limiting innovation and
communication through the network.(13) Accordingly, the Internet enables an end user to access the content and applications of her choice, without
requiring permission from broadband providers. This architecture enables innovators to create and offer new applications and services without needing
approval from any controlling entity, be it a network provider, equipment manufacturer, industry body, or government agency.(14) End users benefit
because the Internet’s openness allows new technologies to be developed and distributed by a broad range of sources, not just by the companies that
operate the network. For example, Sir Tim Berners-Lee was able to invent the World Wide Web nearly two decades after engineers developed the
Internet’s original protocols, without needing changes to those protocols or any approval from network operators.(15) Startups and small businesses
benefit because the Internet’s openness enables anyone connected to the network to reach and do business with anyone else,(16) allowing even the
smallest and most remotely located businesses to access national and global markets, and contribute to the economy through e-commerce(17) and
online advertising.(18) Because Internet openness enables widespread innovation and allows all end users and edge providers (rather than just the
significantly smaller number of broadband providers) to create and determine the success or failure of content, applications, services, and devices, it
maximizes commercial and non-commercial innovations that address key national challenges -- including improvements in health care, education, and
energy efficiency that benefit our economy and civic life.(19)

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-10-201A1_Rcd.pdf

by changing the definition of Net Neutrality "discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality [wikipedia.org] . I'm just shocked its not an Ars Technica...maybe they are still defending the iPhone launch.

And here, I will emphasize a quote from Vint Cerf, about what IPv6 _ought_ to enable on the internet-

"
At Google we believe IPv6 is essential to the continued health and growth of the Internet and that by allowing all devices to talk to each other directly,
IPv6 enables new innovative services. ...
http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/
"

Finally, I'll go back to quoting the actual Net Neutrality rule I accused GoogleFiber of violating (10-201 again, see .gov link above)

"
ii. No blocking.
Fixed broadband providers may not block lawful content, applications, services, or non-harmful devices; mobile broadband providers may not block
lawful websites, or block applications that compete with their voice or video telephony services;
"

Me, running a videogame server connected to my endpoint of the internet, *is a lawful service running on a non-harmful device". If Google wants to claim that I'm taking up too much in bandwidth resources, they are free at any time to stop committing the longstanding advertising fraud common in the residential ISP industry known as "unlimited bandwidth / no caps". There is a limit, there is a cap. Selective enforcement of vague ferengi print is how they enforce it. This also IMO has the side effect of chilling home served competitive services that might in fact prove more secure from eavesdropping than GMail and GoogleHangouts.

Go Die Troll.

Comment Re:Discouraging underage use? (Score 1) 526

But: It seems like the dangers to young people were underestimated.

And that - lack of scientific knowledge to benefit humanity - is in a nutshell, precisely what the Schedule-1-ness of cannabis has given humanity. Yes, I know there are very rare, and very tightly controlled exceptions to the prohibition on medical studies, but seriously, I'm still waiting for the declassified report that explains that cannabis was invented by the CIA or KGB or some such. Sadly the only other plausible theory I have is shameful incompetence for generations on the part of our leaders. Or complicity in a conspiracy to profit on an invented vice market. Or... seriously people, chime in with theories. I've been smoking a lot of herb for half my life- a couple decades now. And those are the best theories I have...

Comment Re:The other side (Score 1) 301

disclaimer: complainant here who hasn't RTFA yet. My standard response to the business issue is this quote from the FCC Network Neutrality document-

FCC-10-201 Report and Order Preserving the Open Internet:
(*** emphasis mine ***)
"
Startups and small businesses benefit because the Internet’s openness enables ***anyone connected to the network to reach and do business with anyone else***,(16) allowing even the smallest and most remotely located businesses to access national and global markets, and contribute to the economy through e-commerce
"

Comment Re:Use more, pay more (Score 1) 301

"If you're using the service more, you should expect to pay more."

disclaimer: complainant here: I agree with this. But there is not an option for it, nor an option to _not use the service more_ *and pay the same* (just happening to be running an openarena game server instead of skyping like your next door neighbor, but using no more bandwidth than your neighbor).

Comment Re:I'll be donating to the EFF again this week. (Score 1) 301

disclaimer: complainant here who hasn't RTFA yet. My standard response to the business issue is this quote from the FCC Network Neutrality document-

FCC-10-201 Report and Order Preserving the Open Internet:
(*** emphasis mine ***)
"
Startups and small businesses benefit because the Internet’s openness enables ***anyone connected to the network to reach and do business with anyone else***,(16) allowing even the smallest and most remotely located businesses to access national and global markets, and contribute to the economy through e-commerce
"

Comment Re:As someone who HASN'T (Score -1, Offtopic) 555

disclosure: complainant here- I'd consider it a favor if someone would mod the parent up. The comment it is responding to is 4-informative, and seems in my view to give sanction to the whitewashing of- well, if everybody has been making these blatant marketing lies about unlimited bandwidth while massaging the network for their maximum profits and convenience (engineering lazyness in part) at the expense of free speech empowerment for residential users (I would argue perhaps the most important class of internet end-points or edges)... Anyway, you get my point.

Comment Re:Don't be evil (some of the time) (Score 2, Insightful) 555

As far as this example, this so called net neutrality issue is not even what net neutrality is all about. Further, ALL broadband providers have limitations on offering services (mail, web, game, blogs) on residential connections. Comcast, Roadrunner, AT&T, all of them).

disclaimer: claimant here: No, you are wrong. Look up TimeWarner's ToS.

Comment Re:Don't be evil (some of the time) (Score 0) 555

disclosure: complainant here. I disagree, as mentioned elsewhere about any legitimacy to commercial vs non-commercial. The point I make there is - when you trade your eyeball attention at google ads in exchange for an advanced gmail cloud service, you are engaging in commercial internet traffic. By capitalistic theory, you wouldn't be doing it if you didn't feel you'd profit from it. And in this case, the profit can be measured in dollars. Next, the way your last sentence sounds makes sense, but again, you are mistankenly tying different levels of SLA with "commercial/noncommercial". Correlation is not causation, though this is another case where that gets easily confused. I.e, call it "high-grade vs low-grade" service all you like and charge different prices. Just don't tell me that how much I profit personally as an end-user from a fixed number of packets determines how much I get charged from them. We don't need that extra taxman in the picture.

Comment Re:No, it is simple economics (Score 0) 555

I cannot say where you draw the line, in reality a lot of it would be based on usage. They really do not care if a small time carpenter has a website

dislosure- complainant here: The *point* is that I don't care what they "don't care about". What I care about is being *free* to run that carpenter website, without feeling *guilty that I am willfully violating the simple and clear wording of a contract I entered into*.

That is the problem.

Comment Re:FCC Troll? (Score 1) 555

Google's not stopping you from developing the next great thing, nor will they lower the priority of your packets when you do. They just don't want you doing it on a line that the TOS specifically says you can't.

disclosure: complainant here. And I'm pointing out that the Network Neutrality rules forbid the blocking of traffic to *any/all* legal devices. They don't get to, either in their switches and routers, or in their terms of service, decide that my linux pc running an openarena server has less worthy traffic than my neighbor uploading lol-cat videos to youtube. Otherwise the network operators would be in too great a position to effectively shape and dominate the internet devices marketplace. Which of course they'd all love to do. Even Google.

Comment Re:No, it is simple economics (Score 1, Insightful) 555

I think more specifically, non commercial, and no public services.
Sure, you can torrent a terabyte of movies, but don't open up a website offering terabytes of movies to everyone.

What about a linux pc running an apache/web and openarena/game servers serving personal photos to friends and family? How about a custom carpenter showing off his work for potential customers to see and a phone number to call to arrange payment and shipment? Where exactly do you draw that line? Network Neutrality is about the idea that the network operator doesn't get to draw that line. They have to treat traffic as traffic. It doesn't matter whether it was a carpenter's server eating up traffic, or a chronic lol-cat youtube uploader. They have to deal with such congestion in ways that do not give preference to any lawful application, service, or device. Otherwise it won't be long till only Google branded, or Google certified devices are allowed to be used with your Google connection (bit of an exageration, the actual road forward will be subtler, but with as much as they can get away with that helps drive up their overall profits).

Comment Re:Don't be evil (some of the time) (Score 0) 555

On a side note, I reject the premise of this headline. I don't think offering a nobbled residential plan that doesn't allow for you to run a server - allowing Google to drive people onto a more expensive business plan that frees you from these constraints - is an assault to net neutrality. That's akin to charging more for a static IP address. It's just segmenting your market to extract better profits.

disclosure: complainant here- I like that you brought up the idea of charging for static IP addresses. I agree that IPv4 addresses are a scarcity, and thus it may be reasonable to charge for them. Do you think it is reasonable to charge for a static IPv6 address? Do you realize how not-a-scarcity they are?

Comment Re:This is normal ISP policy (Score 1) 555

Yes, bash on Google for stating what they did, but pretty much NO ISP provider to home connections allow servers on them.

So wrong... Look up TimeWarner's ToS as a start. I'm sure there are others. It's actually precisely because of network neutrality and how a server is a "lawful device". Google made a boo boo in not figuring that out much sooner.

Comment Re:and so the internet dies. (Score 1) 555

complainant here, please mod (*THE PARENT*) up, which contains this text-
"
subject: and so the internet dies

The whole original IDEA was peer to peer networking that could route around damage. Somehow, we've let it become "everything gets routed through a few big players, and they can tell you what packets you can send and receive".

Sad thing is, this direction has been BLINDINGLY obvious for over a decade, easy. But nobody cared. It's only going to get worse and worse, until the internet is TV 2.0, just like the media companies wanted. And we - the internet using public - sat idly by and let them do it.
"

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