"hey! good news! we used to have 100 million termites. but today, we have 95 million... please ignore the houses next door with only 20, 30, and 15 million termites"

http://www.conferenceboard.ca/...

explain that chart. go ahead. good luck

we will have adherence to the second amendment. as the founders intended: sensible control and training. not as the second amendment has been rewritten by constitutional activists in the last 50 years who think irresponsibility with guns is a virtue for magic reasons

do you own guns? then you believe responsible gun use is mandatory to own a gun. right?

(snicker)

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-c...

"Liberals Guide to Doublespeak" as you call it is an actual better understanding of the second amendment and the intent of the ofunders

this moronic conservative idea that irresponsibility with guns is somehow magically a better world is the real problem, and not all what the second amendment supports

and it will not last. you can't defy simple common sense forever

the guy who offs himself out of depression is understandable/ relatable

the guy who offs his children/ wife or a plane load of people, then himself, is not understandable/ relatable. he deserves condemnation

the most depressed person in the world will not take people with them

a depressed person who is also a narcissist, or a schizophrenic person who is not even depressed, those are type who kill others and themselves. in which case the fact they kill others means we stop sympathizing with them

http://www.conferenceboard.ca/...

look at this chart

do you see a problem?

maybe we should control guns better, like all of our peers? what is the big hang up?

all easy guns in the usa means is far more homicides

does it mean lower rape? lower robbery?

then how come our peers with far fewer guns have the same approximate rates of rape and robbery as us?

why aren't societies with strong gun controls drowning in rape and robbery like your hysteria says?

extra guns does not mean less crime

it means extra unnecessary homicide

the simple facts are clear on that

in fact in the uk, they have SLIGHTLY higher violence rates than us

which i would love to have if it meant far lower homicides!

because violence is a broken arm or a broken nose. homicide is a body bag

all people like you mean to me is: you think every single altercation has to escalate to someone being dead. why? why is this a better society in your opinion? it's not a better society. it's just extra death for no reason

ah

here in the usa, that's becoming more common, but traditionally it is due to social issues

but i stand corrected for a biased judgment, so thank you

something far more substantial then "hand any gun to any mouth breathing moron who wants one" like we have in the usa

you can't get behind the wheel of a car in the usa legally without training and testing. so it should be with gun ownership. i don't see how a *responsible* gun owner could not disagree with that

says me? no, says the founding fathers in the fucking second amendment: "well-regulated" = well-trained

yes, i agree, idiots with ignorant biases are annoying. like you

there is no lock a man can invent that another man cannot undo. and if it's worth doing, for glory or money, someone will do it

why are you going out of your way, grasping at fantasy level explanations, and avoiding the far far most likely explanation for his behavior?

he carried on a conversation with the pilot beforehand. he wasn't slurring words. he didn't display any signs of distress

you really have to posit miraculous brain tumors, instead of just admitting some people are malicious assholes?

why does it threaten your worldview so much that there are people in this world that do not intend well?

we're not looking for evil people under every rock and bush like a paranoid schizophrenic here

we're looking for the most likely explanation for the facts before us in a rare and extreme situation. and "malicious pile of shit" stands out as a signal from the noise far far stronger than any other cause

if it's just "my girlfriend broke up with me, so i'm going to kill myself and 149 people..." fuck

apparently he lived alone with his parents though

perhaps it's time to throw out the PC attitude towards people with asperger's: don't put people with social disorders behind controls of airplanes. or anywhere they have power over many lives (like that asshole in newtown who shot up an elementary school because he had easy access to powerful guns)

there are asocial loners who pursue nonsocial pursuits harmlessly

but then there is a class of people who are asocial for psychological reasons not at all innocent and harmless

it may be PC to give asocial loners the benefit of the doubt

but putting them in positions with power over the lives of others, maybe being PC shouldn't be the first instinct

sometimes an asocial loner really is someone who has malicious intent in their hearts

good point, thank you

agreed

i suppose my wording was such because people were already talking about suicide and depression

but self-harm is not the same as the desire to harm others

so, indeed, what happened here was

1. not depression at all, as you suggest

2. or it was depression, plus some other psychological problem or malicious intent

what it wasn't, is depression alone

killing yourself is not anything like the desire to kill others

exactly

there's people in this thread who seem to want to throw his actions into the realm of "caused by depression"

nope

depression explains self-harm

but harming others requires an additional psychological realm, not explained by depression

nope

depressed people who take their own lives do not intend harm on others

to kill yourself is completely different than killing yourself and killing others

to discount the value of your own life is not at all the same as discounting the value of other lives

you have to be a narcissistic, selfish asshole *before* the depression to think killing others makes sense

there is no excuse, not even an explanation that renders him less guilty

there is no explanation, none possible, that would excuse or even just explain the ignoring of 150 other lives

i would be an asshole, yes, if i was talking about just killing himself

but even depressed and suicidal people do not intend to harm others

it takes a pre-existing level of douchebaggery to not consider the value of the lives of others, nevermind how little you consider the value of your own life