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Comment Re:You want to know why we're fat? (Score 1) 144

I did this a few months ago. It was incredibly cumbersome using my tiny scale, but it was somewhat satifying to have such a precise log of my nutritional intake. Good luck in your dieting. I was able to stay below 20g net carbs by eating the same thing every day. 2 eggs + 2 slices bacon + 2 slices american cheese for breakfast, a Chipotle salad bowl w/ double chicken (no rice, no beans, mild, medium, and hot salsas, and cheese) for lunch, and a grocery-store rotisserie chicken w/ an avocado and a mountain of steamed broccoli for dinner. Even left me with a few spare grams of carbs for snacks if I felt suicide was imminent. Took me a while to figure out how to get my carbs that low, so good luck!

Comment Re:Obesity (Score 1) 144

Consider that only 58,000,000 Americans have gym memberships, and that only 1/3 actually make use of these memberships, and you're looking at fewer than 1 in 10 Americans that actually go to the gym. Furthermore, many of these people focus more on cardio than strength training. Additionally, let's not forget the rather sizeable proportion of gym people that are only there for their first or second time, will shortly stop going entirely, and are, frankly, fat as fuck.

The percentage of Americans that engages in the sort of strength training you describe is very, very small. Much smaller than the 35% of the population that is clinically obese. Some small part of this 35% is surely Mike Tysons or random fat dudes that bench 415 lbs. However, this small part doesn't really change the fact that the overwhelming majority are indeed fat. If you subtract out the people who have low body fat but exceptionally high muscle mass (and are thus falsely identified as obese), I doubt the obesity rate would fall below 34%.

Comment Re:You want to know why we're fat? (Score 2) 144

Doesn't McDonalds sell a double cheese burger for $1?

So you're saying that if you're willing to pay a 25% premium, you'll earn the ability to waste time at the grocery store and in your kitchen?

Sold!

I spend a lot of time and money cooking my own food, but living off fast food was a lot cheaper (in terms of both money and time). It's an odd world we live in.

Comment Re:What did you expect.. (Score 1) 144

I've never met anyone who hated gays for the fact that they had unusual sexual desires, only for the fact that they act on those desires.

That's odd, my experience has been pretty much the exact opposite.

I've never met anyone who hated gays for the fact that they acted on their desires, only for the fact that they identified as gay. Most gay-haters would hate a lisp-talking limp-wristed flamboyantly fabulous man that claims to be gay regardless of his sexual escapades, and they wouldn't have a problem with a bible-thumping wife-and-kids-having man's man that claims to be straight but secretly sucks cock.

We must run in different circles?

Comment Re:But where are the potentional profits? (Score 1) 116

I cared about a possible typo from someone whose brain doesn't seem to be operating very well. It wouldn't have been possible for me to not care about information that was not in my possession at the time of not caring. You really are bizarre!

Keep in mind that I'm replying to an unknown number of ACs in this thread. However, I was asked who cares about my sig. I answered that question and provided the reasoning for my answer. Now you're talking about possible typos and some very awkward statement about possessing information that I can't parse quite right. I don't know what you're saying, but if you have some objection to the response I provided, I ask that you word it in a way that makes sense to me.

You talk about physics but brush aside any physical argument against your childhood fantasies.

Nike's slogan isn't a "physical argument", nor are the ad hominem attacks. I'm wide open to any rational arguments, though, if you care to provide them. Preferably ones that involve the known laws of physics, not metaphors about drowning.

" It comes to those who work for it."

Great, a space Calvinist.

While I did lol, this seems like a good time to mention that Calvinists aren't the only ones who believe that activity (generally speaking) produces greater results than inactivity.

Comment Re:But where are the potentional profits? (Score 1) 116

There was fertile ground, air and water on the other side of the ocean. Space is just empty.

There was plenty of fertile ground, air, and water back in Europe. Columbus wasn't in search of fertile ground, air, and water any more than today's space explorers are in search of emptiness.

It's also too far. The next time there's a rainy afternoon, and you have nothing to do, check out the Tsiolkovky rocket equation, pick a destination, maximum allowed travel time, and payload mass, and calculate how much fuel (and fuel tanks) you would need to get there. Please also allow fuel for braking, and landing on the target (or at least orbiting it), and have a realistic payload mass with regards to travel time and communication with Earth.

It's apparent that chemical rockets aren't going to get us very far. While they may tempt us with reasonable thrust, the specific impulse is lacking, to say the least. That makes them uniquely unsuitable for any voyage where speed is a primary concern, which it is for any destination outside the solar system. Of course, we have designs for propulsion systems that from a half century ago (that could have been built using the technology available a half century ago) that solve this problem, but political considerations have ensured that they won't be flying any time soon. It would've been 133 years to Alpha Centauri (but without slowing back down). Also, recent developments relating to the VASIMR drive and solar sails could put an even more impressive lower bound on how fast we could get to Alpha Centauri (down to ~100 years including slowdown).

Furthermore, this really has very little to do with the argument at hand. Space is big, but so is time. Just because we're launching people into space on giant firecrackers today doesn't mean that this is the only (or the best) way to travel long distances. It's not unreasonable to suspect that if we try, we'll find better ways in due time. That we've gone from riding horses to riding giant firecrackers in the span of a few millenia suggests that in a few more millenia, we might be able to travel faster still. That all we have today is giant firecrackers is not a sound argument against working to improve the state of the art.

Comment Re:But where are the potentional profits? (Score 1) 116

Then you know so much, DO IT. Stop talking, stop typing, stop reading AND DO IT. You presented the slam dunk business case, NOW DO IT.

Thank you for your words of encouragement.

Or shut the hell up with your childish 1960s space age garbage. No one is going anywhere. You are the one with your tired space rhetoric, your empty promises, your delusions about this big market for water in space and these fantasies about these fuel factories floating around a sucking void, and your conflation of these ancient ideas with "progress". You want progress? You're afraid of progress, that's why you clutch to ancient fantasies like a drowning man hanging on to a 2x4 in the Pacific.

I forgive you for your words of anger.

The real progress will happen down here. There's 7 billion people waiting right here for progress.

Progress does not come to those who wait for it. It comes to those who work for it.

No one is waiting out there for your fantasies. And for your sig, that just shows you clutch to the past. Who cares about your 15 year old TMZ crap?

Funny that you should ask! Actually, this AC cares about my "15 year old TMZ crap", as evidenced by his query. And this was just a few hours ago! Also, for the record, my sig (well, the expression currently found in my sig) predates TMZ by roughly a decade. You have a funny way of seeing the world.

Comment Re:But where are the potentional profits? (Score 1) 116

any fuel that is spent beyond Earth orbit doesn't need to be launched from Earth

Very few rockets need to go beyond Earth orbit. Except for some research on other planets, there's nothing out there.

No rockets "need to" go anywhere. The only things that "need to" happen (in an absolute sense) are those things which are required by the laws of physics or the laws of logic. A millenium ago, very few ships needed to cross oceans. That doesn't mean that there wasn't great benefit to be had from trying to cross them anyway. With time, the need developed. The need did not preceed the development. Today, very few rockets "can go" beyond Earth orbit. With a fuel depot in orbit, that would change. It's possible (i'd say likely) that as we develop our space exploration technologies, we'll see increasing returns from our efforts, until a time when it is evident that "we need" spaceflight much like "we need" transoceanic shipping today.

Regarding your other claim, well, I couldn't disagree more. Except for nearly everything in the entire observable universe, there's nothing out there. Indeed, the volume encosed by the set of all possible LEOs accounts for a negligible proportion of the observable universe. Virtually everything is out there, and we've barely snuck a peek yet. It seems quite presumptuous to make claims about that which we know so very little about. Back in the day, you'd have been the one complaining about how Columbus was wasting the crown's resources on his foolish high-seas adventures. As the human race has come to dominate this world thanks to the spirit of explorers, I invite you to lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Obviously this poses a problem for vertically staged rocket designs, but not others

Are there other types in use ?

Of course!
Well, there's the family of SSTO launchers (of which none have been built), including the Skylon spaceplane. Granted, none of those are "in use".
There's also all the horizontally-staged rockets. The "Space Shuttle" was probably one of the more recognizable of these systems. There's the IOS rockets that will be launching all the TubeSat things. Neither of these are currently "in use" either, but there have been a variety in the past and I'm assuming that other launchers of this design type are still flying.

Comment Re:But where are the potentional profits? (Score 1) 116

Going by TFA there's almost twice as much worth of metals than water available on this thing, so why would you focus on only getting the water for apparently the only use of making rocket fuel?

Indeed, as you noted in your followup post, it's all just conjecture. It's unlikely to be just water, and it's unlikely to contain no water at all. I chose the number that was more favorable to my position, which was perhaps not totally honest. Don't expect rigorous number-crunching from back-of-napkin calculations performed in support of posts in long slashdot threads.

So basically what your saying is go get this thing and either mine it in space or put it in an orbit that works for us and use it solely as a fuel source for rockets? That's the only use you seem to be focusing on.

Both, really. Tow it to Earth orbit, then proceed to mine it in Earth orbit. I'm only focusing on mining water because it's the only non-sci-fi resource we need in orbit right now. Sure, some time in the future we might have use for other volatiles or maybe metals or I don't know what, when we're trying to build superstructures in space. But that's not today. Today, we don't have much going on in space, so we don't really have many immediate uses for unprocessed (or minimally processed) resources in space. We do however have an immediate need for water. Water as fuel, drink, and shielding. Talk of mining other resources is akin to futurism (which is cool, but not the basis for a sound business plan today).

I mean all you have to is zap it with electricity right?

You need to melt it first. To do that, you need to contain it, under pressure, since water doesn't have a liquid state in the vacuum of space. Then when it's liquid, indeed, you just zap it. Hydrogen will appear at the cathode, oxygen at the anode. Keep them separate and you're done. Of course, you may want to purify the water first, to preserve your electrodes. That complicates things a bit, since now you're talking about potentially doing fractional distillation in a weightless environment. But indeed, this isn't rocket science. It's not a project for the high school science fair, but it's not rocket science either.

Having a great fuel supply available in space is great for the rockets (presuming they don't start using a different fuel in the future).

Indeed, that's a real risk. The water-in-orbit market might collapse a bit if water were no longer useful as an economical fuel source. That's not going to happen for as long as we're using chemical rockets, though. There's no chemical fuel energy-dense enough to warrant lugging it up out of this gravity well. Even if we figure out amazingly awesome chemical fuels, the cost of launching them from Earth will make it unlikely that they'll be cost-competitive with space-sourced electrolyzed water.

But you still need to either make a processing plant on the asteroid (big bucks) or develop a bunch of space trucks (big bucks) to fetch to somewhere where there is processing plants.

The former, not the latter. The planned asteroid capture mission(s) have shown that it's probably not that hard to lasso ourselves a nice rock and put it in Earth orbit. Of course, these plans all hinge upon some rather shaky assumptions about asteroids. I grant that there is a chance that it could be much harder than we expect. But our expectations are still "it shouldn't be that hard". I agree that perfecting the technology to do all this in space will cost big bucks, and then working out the kinks until it's economically viable will likely take some time. However, this is about as unambitious as it gets. We're talking about melting the water out of a frozen rock and then applying an electric current through it. This isn't exactly a smelter.

I'll be the first to admit I know fuck all about how to make rocket fuel from water but I assume you need more than a giant cattle prod. You did say you need 'nothing more than electricity' but that's not strictly true is it?

Indeed, see above. However, as far as current technology goes, this system is well within the bounds of what we know we can do today.

That's like saying you need nothing more than steam to generate electricity, and hey, steam comes from water so we can use the water to make the electric to make the fuel from the water. You know what. Sounds like a foolproof idea, I'll race you to the patent shop.

Oversimplification :)

Comment Re:But where are the potentional profits? (Score 1) 116

"merely" an engineering challenge? Oh is that all?

If you don't see the distinction between a physical impossibility and an engineering difficulty, a discussion on slashdot is probably not going to be sufficient to illuminate this point.

Please describe how electrolysis works on earth first

I voltage is applied across a substance, causing a current to flow... Wait a minute... Why the fuck am I explaining basic physics? Educate yourself on your own time.

then describe how this magical fuel lab is supposed to work in free-fall with only radiative cooling.

Are other cooling mechanisms required for electrolysis to work? I don't get it. Pretty sure they electrolyze shit all the time on the ISS and I believe that too is in free-fall with only radiative cooling.

I supposed in your fever dreams it's liquefied, yes?

The magical fuel lab is liquified? No... and for that matter neither is the water. Water doesn't do "liquified" in the vacuum of space. Are you saying we lack the technology to melt ice? Seriously?

I also note your arrogance that you think there is only cashiering and NASA in the world. I guess at some point you had to stoop to buying parts somewhere and using a poor cashier somewhere?

Indeed, we should not denigrate cashiers but only those who would propose we continue to advance human technology.

Your colossal arrogance and your childish delusions are the end of you.

Are the end of me, eh? And yet here I am, replying to an AC. I don't feel ended...

It must suck to be so deluded you can't see reality and your only answer is "you must be a cashier".

"You must be a cashier" wasn't really an "answer", let alone my only one. It was more an argument that the "get over it" sentiment is very small-minded and unlikely to yield any significant advancement in the state of the art, much like cashiering.

You *know* space is dead, so you push your delusion even further out so that you think we need to go to space... so we can be in space!

Reasoning from a false premise (that I "*know*" space is dead) will not lead to a logically sound argument.

Delusional thought pattern. Completely bonkers, insane, unreal.

Fucking grammar, how does it work?

And what the hell is "Chuuch. Preach. Tabernacle." supposed to even mean?

Chuuch???

A reasonable person sitting an an Internet-connected computer might ask that question of Google before announcing their lack of problem-solving skills by asking to be spoon-fed some knowledge. However, since I've already blessed you with one link to lmgtfy.com, I won't burden you with another link to click. My sig is a reference to an expression of cordial agreement unique to American pimp culture circa the 1990s. It was popularized by Archbishop Don "Magic" Juan, a renowned pimp, as well as his friend Calvin "Snoop Dogg" Broadus Jr., a popular entertainer. "Chuuch" is the phonetic spelling of the word "church" as rendered in an African-American Vernacular English dialect that is more common in the southern United States. Your quizzical response to hearing it is reminiscent of one Brian "Marilyn Manson" Warner, who when asked by MTV staff about his understanding of the term, indicated his inability to correctly pronounce it as well as his total ignorance of its meaning.

Cool anti-space links though. Impressive rhetoric, a bit light on reason, but cool nonetheless. I bet they make for great talking points.

Comment Re:But where are the potentional profits? (Score 1) 116

You'd still need to build the rockets on Earth and launch them to get to the fuel. This means the majority of the rocket mass will still be fuel. Plus, you'll need to bring an empty tank to the refilling station.

You'd only need to bring enough fuel to get to the orbital fuel depot, or more specifically any fuel that is spent beyond Earth orbit doesn't need to be launched from Earth. It is unclear why an empty tank would need to be brought, as presumably the fuel used for launch was stored in a tank, and since the fuel was used for launch, the tank should be empty upon arrival in orbit. Obviously this poses a problem for vertically staged rocket designs, but not others.

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