To be sure, to be sure.

You're doing it wrong.

True, I stand corrected, and I am enriched by the Iron Maiden trivia.

> Thanks!

I didn't expect that!

No, they haven't lost real property, they've lost one copy of their file, and it's not the original copy, so please stop yelling about 4th amendment rights.

> Little bastard has hooks all over the place

This was my experience with Symantec software, too.

Yes, but it's terribly nerdy to blithely dismiss these stories if you don't use/like/know-anything-about the software, isn't it?

Thus, still really suitable for posting to this site.

Yes.

So, once you finally detect that you have some malware (how do you do that, again?) you are ready to go back to some backup that doesn't have the malware (how do you know which backup saveset to pick?) that may be months or years-old.

It sounds to me like you just lost months or years of data and code updates, even if you can guarantee the backup you chose to restore from was good (no malware).

or, possibly, fractured rib and skin cancer.

Did the dealer apply the firmware update yet? Or maybe that doesn't apply to your model-year?

I'd like to hear back on how your mpg fares after the software 'improvements'.

Thanks,

Disclaimer: I own a 2007 Honda Civic hybrid.

The complaint about the Civic hybrid is that the car was sold as achieving 48/51 mpg according to EPA estimates.

With normal driving (normal = the type of driving seen every day, exhibited by most drivers), it was not possible to get much closer than 10 mpg of those figures when the car was purchased.

Now, this hybrid has a power assist design (different to the Prius), which lends itself to easily draining the battery - climbing a hill, for example - and the battery only has a limited number of power/drain cycles before it needs replacing.

It turns out that the programming on these cars was initially set to provide more 'assist' - thus improving the published mpg figures - but that has led to premature failures of the battery, leading to many warranty replacements.

Honda's response to this design dilemma? Change the programming so that the power assist is much more frugal. This reduces the cycles on the battery which makes them last longer, but means that the car now averages about 30mpg, since you have less assist from the battery when you need it.

So now, instead of having a car that is somewhat better than the non-hybrid counterpart, it is about the same at best, and has few or none of the attractive attributes that Honda used to sell the car.

We are upset at being conned by Honda selling the car as a high-performing hybrid, and later effectively remove most of the benefits of the hybrid because their design doesn't work.

Disclaimer: I own a 2007 Honda Civic hybrid.

The complaint about the Civic hybrid is that the car was sold as achieving 48/51 mpg according to EPA estimates.

With normal driving (normal = the type of driving seen every day, exhibited by most drivers), it was not possible to get much closer than 10 mpg of those figures when the car was purchased.

Now, this hybrid has a power assist design (different to the Prius), which lends itself to easily draining the battery - climbing a hill, for example - and the battery only has a limited number of power/drain cycles before it needs replacing.

It turns out that the programming on these cars was initially set to provide more 'assist' - thus improving the published mpg figures - but that has led to premature failures of the battery, leading to many warranty replacements.

Honda's response to this design dilemma? Change the programming so that the power assist is much more frugal. This reduces the cycles on the battery which makes them last longer, but means that the car now averages about 30mpg, since you have less assist from the battery when you need it.

So now, instead of having a car that is somewhat better than the non-hybrid counterpart, it is about the same at best, and has few or none of the attractive attributes that Honda used to sell the car.

We are upset at being conned by Honda selling the car as a high-performing hybrid, and later effectively remove most of the benefits of the hybrid because their design doesn't work.

I picked my nose once - I thought they said 'Roses', so I asked for a great big red one...