The claim that "YOU JUST DON'T LIKE CHANGE" must be one of the most stupid arguments I have seen in this (or similar) debates. As if Linux hasn't changed before. It developed from a minor hobbiest project of a student to a system which took over the UNIX server market, runs on allmost all super computers and cell phones. You think it did not change it all that time?

Land use is only one aspect of environmental impact.

Most of the area used by wind farms can be used for something else, so your definition of "land use" is somewhat questionable.

Most of the environmental impact of nuclear is not from the plant, but from other parts of the chain, especially mining.

Having said that, I agree that nuclear is overall a very environmentally friendly energy source. It just is far too expensive to be of much use.

I would say it is more like this: "Not known" should have been "not widely known". And "rediscovered" seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. The atlas has not been checked out for century is missing "in Stanford".

No, the standard body should do its job and produce good standards. Whether Microsoft implements it or not is not their problem. A good standard which Microsoft does not use is much better than a mess which nobody can implement correctly.

The additional cost for renewables for German consumers in 2014 is 6.24 ct/kWh (and parts of the industry is exempt) which is less than other taxes paid on electricity. While solar is still expensive (but went down a lot) wind is clearly one of the cheapest source of energy.

I am not sure what you are implying. I think it is very obvious that a scientist who is selling out would be on the other side of this debate. The side with the money. Not the side we you have to do a lot of boring volunteer work without pay in addition to your regular duties.

Participating scientists are not compensated for their efforts.

Yes, the daemon process forking a child and exits only after initialization is complete. This is a nice and clean solution.
Systemd adds an interface so that "new-style" daemons can notify about completion. I hate this stupid complexity.

ttp://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/daemon.html

The numbers seem to imply other wise. Profitable with increasing sales before and loss-making and collapsing sales after declaring Symbian dead and switching to Windows Phone. In don't doubt that there was infighting which delayed things a lot, but the awesome N9 and its brother (with keyboard) were ready before Lumia - even when it took a long time, they had their own modern smartphone OS which got a lot of praise. And then there was always Android as an option. Switching to Windows Phone which was already loosing on the market was simply the most stupid thing to do.

You are repeating yourself. Learn to have a discussion: This implies replying to the things I wrote.

Well, the users who actually do work with their computer probably do not comment as much... For speed, let's just wait for the benchmarks.

You are mostly right about open source. I am not telling people where to spend their time. I merely pointing out that there are users which depend on features which are not supported by Wayland. And - as such a user - I would find a switch to Wayland unfortunate.

What makes me angry is that people say that this discussion is not based on facts. The statement that network transparency is already broken is - as such - obviously not true. (and yes, I use modern GTK3 and Qt4 and other applications over the network - so far there is no problem.) The statement that Wayland will be much faster is atleast questionable.

You are also right, that Xrender was implemented to save network transparency a decade ago. Xrender is an excellent example how you can develop a protocol in a backwards compatible way without breaking existing features.

Doesn't it push the pixels over the network after scraping them?

Which is true. I don't see any confusion here on my part. Pixels can be pushed over the network and used in different ways on the server usind Xrender or not. Exactly as I said: the term "software rasterizer" does not imply exactly what is done.

This is true, but if used with ssh -X there would be some compression at a lower level. Also adding an extension to transfer compressed images would be very easy.

Yes, but the application can store stuff at the X server and then later access it. I know, I wrote such code.

Because using X would backwards/forwards compatible, cross-platform, widely supported on UNIX/Linux (so far), and effortless (just use ssh -X). It also would keep the door open for applications which want to do something more clever than pixel scraping.

Some people like RDP because despite being owned by MS (and subject to patents) the FreeRDP project provides a good implementation of the RDP protocol, which AFAIK, compares favourably with other pixel scrapers.

Last time I tried to connect to a Windows server from Linux it simply did not work. But I am not opposed RDP. But I like X more because of the aforementioned reasons.

I am merely pointing out that I use network transparency on a up-to-date Linux system (not with gnome3 but with gnome3 applications). So the statment that network transparency is already broken is obviously false. If he said something else then it was not me who put it out of context.

I also like how I am modded troll merely for pointing out that it works for me.

So he hacked X to make it work in wayland - among many other things he does with X. This does not imply he gave up working on X in favour of Wayland. A better indications about doing the development activity and who is doing what are the mailing lists:

http://lists.x.org/archives/xo...
http://lists.freedesktop.org/a...

The idea that all/most X hackers gave up on X and are now working on Wayland as its successor is far from the truth.

Also - maybe I gave a false impression - but I am not opposed to Wayland. It is rather nicely designed and well written piece of software. What makes me angry is the idea that it is declared the future of Linux we all have to switch to when it clearly also has some downside, e.g. broken compatibility and network transparency. But those things are not openly discussed, instead they are "adressed" by FUD such as "network transparency is already broken". Oh, you are using it? You must be a lier because Daniel Stone told us it is already broken.