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Comment Re:Time, money, expertiese (Score 2, Interesting) 228

I tried going the route of having someone type for me. It would cost me, by the time agency fees are factored in, around $100-$200 per day. If I'm billing, I can afford that. If I'm not billing, I can't and that puts me right back in the place of looking for a solution. Unfortunately, even at the best of times, it was a very tough experience. The typist could not type fast enough to keep up with what I was saying. I would try to teach her macros (stored in her head) and I would say things about constructing loops and method references etc., she would freeze up, think for little bit, and then start again. I would correct what she just typed and then we would keep going. Effectively what I was doing was teaching her to program. then I would have to pay her more money and she wouldn't want to type for me. She would want to write her own code. Get another typist... As you can see, the agency fees would add up and nearly get really expensive if I expected the typist to hang around until two o'clock in the morning so I could finish some work. The same money could be applied to developing these tools if the money was free to be used in this way. That's the second problem with being disabled. Before disability, you're making enough money to build the tools, after disability, you don't have enough money to build the tools and you don't have the physical ability to build the tools. This stuff is not simple. It is complex and you need a team of people and guinea pigs to make something work right. Hell, right now I would be happy if I could get someone to make vr-mode work

Comment Re:Cite please (Score 2, Informative) 228

http://download.microsoft.com/documents/uk/hardware/Ergonomics_and_Repetitive_Strain_Injury.pdf http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Repetitive+strain+injuries+stretch+higher-a018341055 http://www.rsi-therapy.com/statistics.htm I think the UK stats are probably the best stats to go by. Most of the RSI injury rate information in the United States is based on the last clean census of injuries which was roughly 1994-1995. Unfortunately, since that time states with a large chicken processing workforce, have either stopped counting RSI statistics or have merge them into some other heading making difficult if not impossible to track down what the actual injury rates are. It's amazing the kind of government service you can purchase if your name is Tyson or Perdue. I know this sounds kind of conspiratorial but, up here in New England, the same thing happened with glass cutters and textile workers. Remember, programmers are nothing more than a clean form of blue-collar labor that can be replaced by cheaper labor in a heartbeat. As for the near 100% comment, well as we age, we lose ability. Since everybody ages, is a good chance you will spend decades being unable to use the tools and toys you use today. There's a better chance that the twentysomethings 30 years from now will be inventing all of these cool things that you will be excluded from.

Comment Re:When did you stop beating your wife? (Score 4, Insightful) 228

It was intended as a serious, albeit in your face, question. what I was hoping for was a serious answer. I don't expect you to drop anything

Let me introduce you to a term "TAB" Temporarily Able Bodied. It was created in recognition that physical ability is temporary, disability is the norm. I'm disabled because my hands don't work right. I'm also disabled because I need glasses. Minority or majority doesn't matter. My question was trying to provoke thought about what's going to happen to you when you become disabled. age-related ailments will steal your ability from you. But also do you want to leave the future to be a radical shift in career because your hands don't work or a shift in how you work?

As to the direction on what makes something accessible, there is a good 30 years worth of research on the subject in the library if people would only look. Is honestly simple concept of separation of functionality from presentation. If I need a word processor with a speech user interface, then I should be able to purchase a word processor and then purchase a user interface that does what I need. If a blind person needs a text-to-speech interface, then they should be able to purchase their own user interface. None of us should have to rely on adaptations or, as I like to call them, "brutal hacks" on the application.

Every two or three years we do hear about and disabilities. There was Nintendo thumb and now Blackberry thumb and other hand disorders from playing too many first-person shooter games. It's all right in front of us. we also have the issue of elderly, as you point out. I'm not worried as much about the elderly of today but, what happens when you hit 60 and you gradually discover you can't do anything. No texting, no video messages, no anything. Think about that future.

Also think about the implications of what our mobile devices are doing today. I've seen people advocate getting rid of voicemail because you can just send someone a text message. Or the only telephone you can use if you are blind is something that just makes calls and receives calls. These choices exclude people from the mainstream culture. If you are blind and cannot send a text message, you lose social connection. If you can't send a text message, you lose the ability to give someone a time delayed message the way of voicemail works. I do admit that it may be cheaper to warehouse disabled people but, it would be nice if we made a conscious decision.

And as a side note, I was not able to interleave my comments with your text because HTML is not friendly to the disabled.

Comment Re:Cold Truth (Score 1) 228

try instead, each person has their own UI device and that device talks to all other devices like phones, atm's, gas pumps etc. you want multi touch, buy a multi touch display brick. want text to speech, get a tts brick. own your own ui.

Comment Re:Cold Truth (Score 1) 228

what you describe is what we are doing today. looking at it from the IT viewpoint, if you assume each IT person contributes 50k value to the economy and you loose 50k people each year, that is 2.5 mil flushed. 10% of that would make it possible to solve the programming by voice problem in 2-3 years. rather cheap way to stem a multimillion resource loss. almost as cheap as telling the disabled to go sit on a street corner somewhere.

Comment Re:Cite please (Score 4, Informative) 228

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Repetitive+strain+injuries+stretch+higher-a018341055 when you work through the reports, the 300k number works out to about 100k for IT. while this report is old, nothing has changed to drop the rate. uk reports are more current http://download.microsoft.com/documents/uk/hardwar/Ergonomics_and_Repetitive_Strain_Injury.pdf As for the near 100%, think arthritis, medication induced tremors, loss of flexibility as you age normally or via trauma. It all adds up to loss of hand function.
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Submission + - inaction in the face of disabilities

layabout writes: "We've seen tremendous advances in user interfaces over the past few years. Unfortunately, those user interfaces and supporting infrastructure exclude the disabled. In the same timeframe, there has been virtually no advance in accessibility capabilities. It's the same old sticky keys, unicorn stick, speech recognition, text-to-speech that kind of, sort of, works except when you need to work with with real applications.

Depending on who's numbers you use, anywhere between 60,000 and 100,000 keyboard users are injured every year. Some temporary, some permanently. In time, almost 100% of all keyboard users will have trouble with typing and using many if not all mobile computing devices.

My question to you is simple. Given that some form of disability is almost inevitable what's keeping you from volunteering and working with geeks who are already disabled? By spending time now building the interfaces and tools necessary to enable them to use computers more easily, it will ensure your ability to use them in the future.

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This query is aimed more at the kind of disability we are susceptible to and I have been living with for the past 15 years. Even though we have speech recognition, it doesn't solve any problem except writing text. There have been a couple attempts at making speech recognition more useful to programmersl0] but they have failed.

The starting needs are clear.

Working full vocabulary continuous recognition system on linux.[1]

An application independent framework enabling dictation into any application.

Tools that don't expect you to "speak the keyboard"[2]

Tools that let you edit code as well as create[3]

So why don't more geeks work on securing their own future or at the very least,helping out their fellow geeks stay on the economic ladder?

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[0] voicecode and vr-mode: voice code is an amazing piece of work. It makes it possible for a disabled program to generate Python code very quickly. Unfortunately, it does not solve the editing problem. Even more unfortunately, it's fairly complicated set up and get working. VR-mode makes it possible to use naturally speaking select and say mode in Emacs. That is, if you can get it to work. It seems to have drifted into non-functionality as Emacs has moved forward.

[1]Naturally speaking works well, can be cheap, and works somewhat under wine today. If we can make it work under wine reliably, it solves the linux desktop speech recognition problem in months rather than decades. Other tools such as Sphinx 1-4 are great IVR systems if you have a vocabulary and grammar under 15,000 words. In contrast, Naturally speaking's working vocabulary is in the hundred thousand word range. any disabled user will choose naturally speaking because it works so much better than the nearest alternative. We have people who are injured now and need these tools. They can't afford to wait 10 years or more for an oss solution. In this case, functionality trumps politics.

[2] Speaking the keyboard refers to speech user interfaces developed by people who don't use speech recognition. They expect you to say too much which creates a vocal form of RSI, see [3]. Listen to what disabled users do, not what you think they should speak.

[3] See voicecode in [0] unfortunately, it's only for writing code, not correcting code. Code correction is a very different process and must be spoken in a different way such as "change index" instead of "search forward left bracket leave mark search forward right bracket copy region". This is also an example of "speaking the keyboard"."

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