Want to read Slashdot from your mobile device? Point it at m.slashdot.org and keep reading!

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×

Comment Re:Some pedants are more pedantic than others... (Score 1) 667

As per the sibling post, and quoting from a cousin post of mine:

It's called Negative Agreement.

"I don't have any books" is ok, but "*I have any books" is wrong.

"I didn't go anywhere" is ok, but "*I went anywhere" is wrong.

Replacing "any" with "no" to form Negative Agreement doesn't actually change the state of the negation. It just changes the term used to construct Negative Agreement.

Comment Re:Some pedants are more pedantic than others... (Score 1) 667

It's called Negative Agreement.

"I don't have any books" is ok, but "*I have any books" is wrong.

"I didn't go anywhere" is ok, but "*I went anywhere" is wrong.

Replacing "any" with "no" to form Negative Agreement doesn't actually change the state of the negation. It just changes the term used to construct Negative Agreement.

Comment Re:Some pedants are more pedantic than others... (Score 1) 667

Hello, English learner here, what about the case of a sentence that *was* true in the past (not "might have been true" as the GP suggests)?

"When I was fooled, it was because I wasn't careful enough."

There's a different word between "were" and "was" in the conditionals, and so humans want and desire to create a reason for why they are different. Sometimes, they're just two different ways of saying something.

Comment Re:Dialects != Language (Score 1) 667

Indeed, the situation is more nuanced than one pithy little quote can do justice to. It's just a phrase that linguists tend to use, because they are confronted almost constantly by people insisting that some language is just a dialect or some dialect is actually a language. Often, this is for political reasons (which I shortened to reinforcing the "us" vs "them" cultural difference.). I am aware that Moldova has since changed their official language to Romanian, not Moldovan, so there's some recognition coming to the area in the last 10 years since I studied linguistics in college...

But yes, everything you posted here is awesome, thank you for expanding upon my original post.

Comment Re:Dialects != Language (Score 1) 667

but would you think it's acceptable to write a contract in "redneck"?

I wouldn't because I don't know "redneck" dialect well enough. But if two people speaking a common dialect wish to celebrate a contract in a dialect other than the formal register of the country in which they live, then I say, go for it!

Contracts, resumes, etc, are all written in a certain register (smaller than a dialect) because that is the appropriate register for the audience. However, would you walk into an urban depressed neighborhood and go around using the Received Pronunciation register? No, it's not appropriate, because of audience mismatch.

But punishing a group of people just because the formal register of power in their country is significantly more different from that spoken by a privileged class that need not learn the hojillion needling rules... that's not right.

Comment Re:Elements of Style is not authoritative (Score 1) 667

After I learned German, "wherefore" stopped confusing me. "dagegen" "darüber" "danaben" all of them composed of "there" and a preposition. The corresponding question words for them are "wogegen" "worüber" "woneben". Or "where-preposition". And where is used even when the preposition doesn't refer to a location, but an idea. (persons are composed of "preposition who"). "Wofür hast du das gemacht?" (For what purpose did you do that?)

Knowing how German works yields great insight into the grammatical usage of the English used by Shakespeare. Because English has been traveling towards a "creole-like" grammar for a very long time... i.e. before the norman invaders, and before the norse invaders.

Actually, watching Beowulf (the "horrible" CGI one, which for amateur linguists wasn't horrible at all, because OMG OLD ENGLISH THIS IS AWESOME!), I was kind of actually able to understand Grendel... or more accurately, with subtitles I could pick out words whose meaning I could accurately place in them.

Comment Re:When you can't tell the difference... (Score 1) 667

Right, but I didn't SELL him the illegal property, I just CONVEYED it to him without monetary compensation.

I'm read under the law, trust me, it's exactly what happens when you take "agreed-on standards and meanings" to the programmer level of pedantry.

Again, if you write a boilerplate contract where the other party is only allowed to take it or leave it, not negotiate terms, then the courts will read everything against you if it allows to be read that way.

If you were writing a contract, and knew that an ambiguity were going to be resolved against you, how would YOU write a contract?

Comment Re:Some pedants are more pedantic than others... (Score 1) 667

And in AAVE "he be workin'" and "he workin'" have very different verb moods.

But everyone seems to insist that it's lazy English... so...

And no "*If I was rich..." doesn't make any sense when you allow for use of subjunctives. It's a wrong mood verb stuck into a sentence. It's like saying "I were a good girl!" instead of "I was a good girl!"

The use of "was" as in past tense and "was" as in the subjunctive are actually in mutually exclusive use. That's why English even bothered to lose the subjunctive in the first place.

Note also, if you take the subjective, "I think that he were walking to the store" is the proper way to say it. Because "think that" means it's the opinion of the speaker, and thus not guaranteed fact, thus subjunctive usage. c.f. French subjunctive use.

Comment Re:When you can't tell the difference... (Score 1) 667

EULAs can use fancy words, knowing that average Joe is barely literate, and put them in various forms of electronic bondage. Credit card applications... you name it.

Actually, the reason why legal language is so complex is because it has to close loopholes that crazy pedantic intelligent people find.

It's the idea of "you have to be smarter to debug a piece of code than to write it."

This specifically comes to a head in that boilerplate contracts are automatically interpreted as opposing the interests of the drafter as the language allows.

Comment Re:Dialects != Language (Score 4, Informative) 667

I imagine that you think Swedish, Norwegian and Danish are all different languages...

In spelling, Norwegian has two methods of writing: Nynorsk, and Bokmål... one is more like Swedish, the other is more like Danish, respectively...

But in the end, it's all just spelling the spelling, as they're all mutually intelligible. There is less different between the Scandinavian languages than Spanish and especially Arabic.

There is less difference between Romanian and Moldavian than there is between American and British English, yet some Moldavians insist that they speak a different language in order to create an "us vs them"

Linguists know that a language is just a dialect with an army.

Slashdot Top Deals

After any salary raise, you will have less money at the end of the month than you did before.

Working...