Comment Re:And if one can't believe? (Score 1) 931
There were no factual errors.
There were several factual errors, starting from your revisionist claims of BB theory, which I showed wrong. Buy the G. Gamow's book I mentioned, or better yet, find Gamow's BB nucleosynthesis article from 1948 (that's before event there was the rather misleading name "Big Bang theory").
If I claim that you must believe like me, then I'm a horrible Religious person correct?
Well, pretty much so. Show me the evidence for your argument, which have absolutely refused to do.
So Krauss does this as an atheist, and it's not just as horrible?
Krauss bases his view on what we can observe (in the scientific sense, in a repeatable way), and speculates on what we can possibly extrapolate from that data. Any religious view can't do that. And yet, the scientific views like Krauss's doesn't say you *must* believe like me, it's rather that you should look at the evidence (or lack of it) we have, and draw your own conclusions, not cram it down your children's throats.
Krauss with his specific beliefs requiring the punishment of anyone that digs for the prime question and comes to a conclusion different than his.
Again, show me where he requires punishment for that. You don't say what your *prime question* is, but I'd guess it has something to do with the beginning of the universe, and Krauss along with others is actually helping a new generation or two to get some handle in perhaps digging into those issues.
What is the punishment for Child abuse? Now you are nitpicking and not making sense at all. In addition to removal of children from custody, it's a felony. Duration for imprisonment depends on the State as well as the Judicial system (Jury, Judges, Lawyers, etc...). If I say "atheists should be charged as murders" it won't mean anything if I don't say "and they should go to jail for X years!"? Sorry, it does not work that way in any language.
Common misunderstanding in these issues, in your part, that is. If I abuse my children by calling them bastards every now and them, while otherwise keeping good care of them, it's not a punishable offence. You just don't want understand underlying issues that may affect the development of a child if he, say, has to always be afraid of going to hell if he does one bad thing.
That does not follow at all. The laws in my country say that hard drugs like heroin are illegal, and I wouldn't be a criminal by determining that hard drugs are necessary for people.
Did you decide that someone believing that there is a creator is as harmful to society as feeding a child heroin.
And you didn't get it. In the example, I would be just expressing my opinion that heroin is good for you, not feeding or injecting anyone with heroin.
Stop blaming fucked up people on Religion, it's absolute rubbish!
Where did I do that?
The two biggest mass murders in history committed their atrocities for power and were atheists. In the process, they deemed it necessary to kill anyone of any Religion. Does that mean that every atheist in the world is as fucked up as Mao and Stalin? Obviously the answer is "no".
Where did Hitler go? Oh, he was shown to have deep religious connections. I'd guess Stalin is the next one to drop off the list with his religious training... Where is the Pope on your list? The body count in Africa is getting pretty good with the prevention of condom usage. Or the Christian God, the worst murderer of all times (at least for the Christians): He invented death.
If the Catholic Church doctrine told their followers to be pedophiles, would they have done so?
I have no idea of how we got from your atheist bashing and BB theory misconceptions to this point, but very well... Would you endorse an establishment that systematically protects pedophiles? The Catholic Church did, and there's good documentation that the just-retired Pope Ratzi did. These abuse cases have been going on for years and years now. If a system is rotten at the top, why do even bring in the congregations? And sadly, even congregations did want the cases hidden, but I'll let you Google for that. Or.. (I'll loan your next line) Hell no. The congregation, consisting partly of the parents of the abused children, at least created a culture of silence, where the abused couldn't speak out about the abuse. I'll let you Google that.
Back to the point of the argument: Believing in a creator is rational and logical.
On the base level of this discussion, I'm asking you to justify that. There is no sign of a creator, so why believing one is rational and logical. And, where did that creator come from?
If you agree with that last statement, there should be no reason for us not to teach others how we came to our answers. What is very wrong, is only presenting our answers and claiming anyone else is wrong/criminal/insane/etc...
How did you come to the "answer" of a creator? There is no evidence for it, and, as far as any creators as the religions describe them, our available data rather outrules them. Indoctrinating your child with, say, the Christian creation story is wrong, if it prevents him from understanding scientific theories like the theory of evolution.
And yes, atheists like Krauss do exactly the wrong thing. They get paid a whole lot of money to do the wrong to boot! Question why?
To do what? To make speeches? If you think that they are preaching instead of presenting the current scientific theories, perhaps with their own pet hypotheses, you are just plain wrong.