Is caused by the immune system not recognizing a foreign invader, the organ being transplanted.
No?
No. Rejection is the appropriate response by the body. With immunsuppresion, we modulate that response.
Then this guy wants to turn off that ability in the body?
Yes?
No, not quite. Their proposal is to stimulate the immune system, but to add this "complex" that says "It's ok...don't attack"
Historically speaking, whenever doctors have taken that approach it results in massive infection, and usually heart and lung problems.
Well, if that were the case, most of the transplant pt's would be dead. Obviously you have taken this a little to far (reduce ad absurdum). First, keep in mind there are two major (humoral aka antibody mediated and c-mediated) and several minor arms to the immunesystem. The humoral system is relative untouched by immunosuppression while the cell-mediated system is what is modulated, but not turned off. And yes there is a risk of infection with immunosuppresion, but not as much as you might expect. The trick to turn off just enough of the immune system to allow the graft to survive, but not enough to endange the patient.
You would think after so many complications from transplants, they would stop pursuing that direction.
Well there are risks, but quality and quantity of life are better with transplant. Kindey failure itself increases the risk of infection, causes chronic refractory anemia (often requiring frequent transfusions) and increases the risk of heart disease. Hemodialysis (filtering the blood to replace kidney function) requires most people to be hooked to a machine for 3-4 hours three times a week (during business hours!). These patients often undergo numerous surgeries to create or correct the vascular access required to get HD. The HD process itself is very draining.
Liver failure really sucks. You can become encephalopathic (an altered mental state typically confusion and altered sleep cycles), you become coagulopathic (bleed easily), you can develop varices (dilated venin in the esophagus, abdominal wall, rectum, etc) which can bleed and are a bitch to stop when you are coagulopathic. Liver failure is deadly with or without treatment. Kidney failure is also deadly, but with HD you can susrvive.
Adult stem cell research seems to be the best approach to me. Same tissue so no rejection, and they do not have all of the problems fetal cells have. (i.e. Fetal stem cells have a nasty habit of becoming tumors.)
Somehow, Adult stem cells "know" what to do and when to stop growing appropriately much better than fetal stem cells when considering tissue regeneration in heart attack patients for example.
I agree that stem cells and gene therapy are our ideal goals but with the state of the art being the equivalent of trying to park your car by dropping it into the city at 50,000 ft (15240 m) we still have a long way to go. In the mean time, transplants remain a sound medical treatment
Not that doctors understand any of this process, but why they continue to invest so much money in transplant research is baffling. The quality of life for people financially and medically sucks for current transplant recipients.
For the majority, you are quite ill-informed. Most patients are quite happy with their transplants and their quality of life improved markedly. Also, kidney transplants that last 5 years are more economical than being on dialysis for that time period. This is why insurance companies actually pay for transplants.
For starters "killer T-cells" are usually referred to as NK-cells and they are NOT thought to be part of the normal rejection process (they do not require activation and thus would no be stopped by immunosuppresion). There are three types of rejection hyperacute (pre-formed antibodies attack the organ in minutes - the organ literally dies as soon as it is transplanted - this is avoided by the "matching" process), acute (where T-cells [not NK-cells] attack the organ since it is not "self" and therefore "bad" - this is where immunosuppresion helps) and chronic (the body slowly rejects by allowing fibrosis of the vessels leading to the organ).
Actual survival statics for all kidney allografts exceeds 95% today. 80% is quite a drop!
Grafts are not assumed to "take" after 100 days allowing us to stop immunosuppresion! Immunosuppression is currently LIFELONG. There are a few instances where people have tolerated a non-identical twin transplant without medications, but this is _very_ rare. There is active research into finding the key to allow "tolerance" whereby we can drop the medications, but this is still early.
IL-2 suppression is the _mainstay_ of current immunosuppressants both blocking its production via calcineurin ihibitors (cyclosporin and tacrolimus), inhibiting the response (sirolimus/rapamune), or by blocking the receptor with antibodies (basiliximab/daclizumab). (Please understand this is only about half of the therapies that are in use for immunosuppresion, I'm just focusing on the Il-2 aspect).
Just followed the second link and it is _much better_. Still, I strongly disagree with their assertions of 100 days, just doesn't happen in humans. Apparently this study is using IL-2 STIMULATION with a complex that attempts to increase the regulatory T-cells...To me this means that this treatment will not co-exist with the current immunopupression dogma... this means that they will have to have a "complete" replacement for immunosuppresion they won't be able to add this to the current regiment and that means this treatment protocol will be quite sometime in the pipeline. And (fortunately) the authors acknowledge that they are optimistic, but aren't rushing off to collect their Nobel yet:
I am also aware that effective approaches in mice do not necessarily give good results in humans because of subtle differences in the immune systems of mouse and man.
Seriously why would anyone choose to quit? I periodically quit just to feel the pain of it but that is just self flagellation.
I had to.
A hand tremor as a surgeon is _not_ what your patients want to see. As an aside, to break the ice with some patients I do a variation of the Gene Wilder's deputy on "Blazing Saddles"....
Pt: So how steady are your hands?
[I hold up a steady left hand]
Pt: Good, steady as a rock!
[While bringing up a flapping right hand and with a southern draw]
Me: Yeah, but this here is ma' operatin' hand.
Usually get a good chuckle from my patients, but every once in a while I get a wild-eyed-jaw-dropping-looking-for-the-nearest-fire-exit look that totally makes the joke worth it.
Sorry, but I think you missed some of my points. Negative side-effects such as the exposed Fe+2 reducing nictric oxide in a patient are NOT acceptable. We are talking about people who are on the "knifes edge" and the "cure" can't make these people worse!
Also, please read their website. It is NOT artificial blood. It is not recombinant but rather purified bovine hemoglobin.
Directly from their website:
Manufacturing Process
Manufacture of Hemopure and Oxyglobin occurs in four major steps: First, bovine blood is processed to remove plasma and then to remove the hemoglobin protein from red blood cells.
And as such may still carry viral vectors and prions and are potentially susceptable to bacterial contamination.
And before people start knocking the FDA, please be aware that they spare the American public and to a lesser extent the world from over-eager pharaceutal companies.
First transfusions cause immune reactions [that are technically not rejection] but while these may be major events, they are NOT very frequent. Nurses stop transfusions at the slightest reaction. In the past six years I have seen one transfusion reaction and I work at a major urban trauma center.
Secondly, blood that is transfused is usually near the end of its shelf life and as such you are lucky if 50% of the cells are viable. Within 48 hrs, most (75-80%) of the blood is useless.
Thirdly, blood itself causes immunesuppresion. Couple this with the SIRS/sepsis response in the body and you are going to have a hard time managing this pt in the long term (this is why patients die weeks to months after surviving the initial trauma (tri-modal mortality - on-scene, early in the ED, and late).
Fourth, is the ethical issues - not everyone accepts blood - Jehovah's Witnesses classically. (We also happen to be the city's "bloodless surgery" center - but that's a whole other rant).
The problem with blood replacement is that they also fail in one of these areas. Some substances will cause immune reactions or toxic effects to the body. Hemoglobin and myoglobin (the analogue in the muslces) and their breakdown products are *toxic* to the body...fortunately we have mechanisms to eliminate them safely (most of the time). But what of this protein? Are the breakdown products safe? Does it need to be wrapped in a cell wall to protect the body from it? The article mentions the immune system attacking the molecule, but will the molecule function in physiologic conditions that allow it accept oxygen and release it appropriately? Will it cause other portions of the body to fail? Is the compound stable? How will the body eliminate it?
As for not needing a substance that transports oxygen efficiently, try again. The human body can only tolerate so much volume. If this substance is only 5% as efficient I need 20x the volume. Not very helpful - I'll stick with blood thank you. And, yes you can survive being bled out to 33 to 50% of your blood volume if you are healthy....but if you are also a trauma patient with injuries, you can tolerate much less blood loss - see above for late trauma mortality. As for the soldiers bleeding out pink koolaid...your medics need to be retrained. The current accepted protocols are not to "flood" the traumas with non-oxygen carrying fluids (crystalloids) but to try to maintain perfusion until surgical control of bleeding can be established.
And finally, one of the largest hurdles to artificial blood is the ethical concerns. Healthy volunteers may tolerate the substance, but actual "sick" people may not....In 1999 UPenn killed a young relatively healthy volunteer Jesse Gelsinger with their attempt at correcting his ornithine carbamoyltransferase deficiency with their "gene therapy". It wasn't necessarily that the treatment was bad, but due to his illness, he reacted badly to the adenovirus used as a vector. And in the early 1990's Shock Trauma in Baltimore took a huge publicity hit for proposing to use blood substitutes in acutal trauma patients...the problem was that in a trauma patient you cant' get accurate informed consent to an experimental treatment. This ended up becoming a racial issue as the young male African-American population was the largest demographic group "visiting" their facility. Major uproar.
Now, I for one would love to see a stable, safe, useful blood substitue, they are still a long way off from offering a product I can use on my patients.
They can study it all they want, memorizing countless tomes of wisdom on parenting, and it still won't adequately prepare them for parenting. Nothing but the actual experience of raising a child yourself will prepare you for it, regardless of how intelligence you might be. This introduces a bit of a problem, as you probably interpret this idea to mean that no parent on this planet knows what they're doing until they learn from mistakes made along the way.
Sounds a lot like preparing soldiers for combat....and probably just as dangerous to one's health and sanity.
Looks like a clear case of prior art:
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