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Comment Have you ever seen a car shredder? (Score 1) 98

The problem is, it's going to take a number of years before EV batteries actually need recycling. Even after 10 years, many are still good enough for EV use. And after that, they are often useful in other places like home power storage or grid batteries. And this isn't recycling the cells, this is reusing the cells - taking the cells out of an EV and putting them into use in another application directly. So it might be 20 to 30 years before enough volume of EV batteries are scrapped.

There are already several companies that want to scale up their recycling, but they just don't have enough used batteries to scale.

Heck, even when an EV is written off and scrapped, the battery is often snapped up as it's still valuable - even damaged people extract and use the cells for other purposes, or rebuilding EV batteries.

So yeah, here's part of the issue. Car shredders. Crushed cars don't just get dumped into big pits of molten steel, crushed cars get shredded with large high speed hammermills and the component materials - iron/steel, aluminum - get separated out by magnetic and eddy current separators. The rest is called Auto Shredder Residue and ends up landfilled. It's all the copper and the materials that used to be glass and plastic dashboards and o-rings in Macpherson struts and stuff like that.

If you haven't seen ASR, it's a relatively fine grain, probably mostly under 0.5", and with modern cars, it's mostly plastic.

If you drop a Tesla into a car shredder (the eventual fate of most cars), I think the batteries will end up as ASR. And then you're trying to separate cobalt battery components from the old stuffed toys left in the back seat.

How do we shred this better, and why are we not already doing this with municipal waste? Hammermills have windage losses and crazy internal wear. Low veolcity high torque machines need even worse maintenance. Robots to disassemble cars seems like a good idea, until you've actually worked in an automotive wrecking yard and seen that cars often no longer look like cars....

Submission + - Slashdot Alum Samzenpus's Fractured Veil Hits Kickstarter

CmdrTaco writes: Long time Slashdot readers remember Samzenpus,who posted over 17,000 stories here, sadly crushing my record in the process! What you might NOT know is that he was frequently the Dungeon Master for D&D campaigns played by the original Slashdot crew, and for the last few years he has been applying these skills with fellow Slashdot editorial alum Chris DiBona to a Survival game called Fractured Veil. It's set in a post apocalyptic Hawaii with a huge world based on real map data to explore, as well as careful balance between PVP & PVE. I figured a lot of our old friends would love to help them meet their kickstarter goal and then help us build bases and murder monsters! The game is turning into something pretty great and I'm excited to see it in the wild!

Comment The Ultimate Expensive Bottled Water! (Score 2) 104

There we go. Heavy water, the ultimate in pricey bottled water.

Move over, Perrier. This one's got kick!

It's neat that we can taste the difference, and if bottled water suppliers can mass produce it as a beverage it will surely reduce the operating costs of some types of nuclear reactors.

Comment Gravity-Fed Toilets (Score 4, Informative) 136

it's that there's not enough pressure. There are flushing systems that can produce a lot more pressure even when only using a small amount of water, but I don't think I've ever seen one in a home in the US.

Our toilets are much the same here in Canada - residential use toilets are gravity-fed with typically 6L per flush from a "close-coupled" tank which is mounted directly on top of the bowl. The tank is filled from municipal or well supply, which is typically at 50PSI or so, but the fill valve is the only part of the system under pressure.

They operate by momentum, not by pressure. m1*v1 = m2*v2. The pressure would be limited by the head, which is typically only 2 feet or so. The secret to their effectiveness is allowing 6 kilograms of water to accelerate as quickly as possible in the height allowed by the design and have it collide with the ...dark matter... to drive it away.

Most residential plumbing systems use 1/2" ID supply pipe which would simply not allow a pressurized flush like a commercial toilet to be effective. There are exceptions which use bladder systems to attempt to leverage the standing water pressure of the municipal water supply to drive the flush water down to the bowl as quickly as possible. These systems tend to be expensive, unreliable, and loud, although one day these issues may be resolved.

Improvements to the existing system will require very carefully designed bowls and trapways and exceptionally well-installed plumbing with regard to soil pipe slope and venting. My own home is outfitted with 3L per flush toilets which do an admirable job - I have yet to clog them, even after a visit to a buffet restaurant - despite being purely momentum-based close-coupled toilets without the additional complexity and failure-prone seals in dual-flush mechanisms.

Adding technology is not the answer to this problem. Keeping it as simple as possible but doing the basics really well is key.

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