Comment Re:Imagine the tension for Alito et al (Score 1, Insightful) 113
They're literally playing Calvinball.
Privacy regulation is needed. Without any exception.
Privacy regulation and we need to change the way companies are fined, including the leadership.
If a company makes US$1 Billion and get's fined US$5 million, well the fine is just a cost of doing business. On the flip side, if the company is fined 20 percent of income before any taxes, depreciation, or anything else for the first offense, that's a bit more problematic. Even more problematic when the fine rises, if the behavior reoccurs within 20 years, to 40 percent and finally 80 percent with a corporate death penalty. Investors might abandon the company after the second fine.
Wait, there's more...
Since executives, especially CEO's, love to tell us how indispensable they are to the company to justify their high compensation packages they're on the hook. So all company executives are stuck with the same fines as the company, based on their total compensation package. That's everything from pay to stock options to using the corporate jet to housing allowance or assistance. Everything. The fine will double similar to the company fine, 40 percent then 80 percent, but no death penalty. They just cant work as an executive, management, or serve on any board of any company that receives a cent from the government... including if that company owns a majority stake in any company that receives money from the government... for life.
This would be a good start at least.
B-b-but DC is just a couple rectifiers and such. That's like sooper cheapo and totes not complex at all. You, apparently, also have ZERO understanding about permitting and electrical codes.
Ah, reduced to strawmanning me. You're the one saying a monitor converter would be enough. You're eyerolling at your own statement.
No you said above, and I quote:
Going from AC to DC just requires some rectifiers. Not hugely expensive.
1. Brother agrees with me.
The electrical contractors I know question his competency.
2. Denying that I have knowledge just highlights how you don't actually have any argument, thus need to resort to personal attacks.
Because going after the probable price difference between an AC charging station and a similar power DC charger, especially with the possible costs of extending 3 phase to a building, is apparently too hard for you.
What's truly amazing here is you think that businesses (in general) don't have access to 3 phase. Sure your average retail mall customer probably won't have 3 phase at their terminal, but the building has a better than even chance of having it for the multi-ton AC units on the roof. I mean, do you general contract at all? You sound like someone trying to to be smart but not knowing how commercial or industrial structures are built at all.
Looking at your first link, no new knowledge there. 15kW/120=125A, 4 gauge, check. Well, for an 8 foot or so run. But 15kW/240V, The first step I'd take, drops it to 62.5A, which is 8-10 gauge. Oh, wait, what did they recommend? 10 gauge. Just the swap to 240V made so that I can either run slightly thicker wire, or more wires and now have to worry about load per phase.
Consider, you try posting "educational" material and I start critiquing it. I mean, 4 gauge is no where enough for building wiring, only in-chassis wiring.
http://www.electrical-knowhow....
Fluke, good but nothing new, same with NY. Well, the NYC isn't applying something in a straight forward way.
But they're all generic, don't consider the specific use case of EV charging, where you don't really need a neutral, that DC is also superior to AC for power transmission, and you can change up the voltage if you want.
Basically, again, the problem isn't my lack of understanding. It is yours. I'm factoring in more for the specific scenario than you are. Ask me for a big machine shop and I'd also be looking for 3 phase power.
Still waiting for that link to the magical car charger that outputs 22kW from single phase. Still waiting for you to explain how you're going to get magical cheap DC fast charging from a single phase line. Your attempts at dodging is adorable at this point.
Instead of waiting for you to dodge some more, let's see what a charger manufacturer says.
https://www.power-sonic.com/le...
Ok, 7kW. Maybe that's just one let's ask another:
https://wepoweryourcar.com/blo...
Oh and they have a nice quotable line: "No, not everyone can have a 22kW EV charger installed on their property, as it depends on whether you have a three-phase electricity supply. Three-phase is typically found in industrial or commercial properties, and it’s rare to find in UK domestic homes." You can get 3 phase but like much of the rest of the EU you're more likely to see it in an apartment setting before it's split to the tenants as single phase, e.g. the apartments I've lived in on the mainland. One more for you.
https://go-e.com/en/magazine/s...
Hmm, a max 7.4kW for single phase even using the 22kW charger. Huh, when you hook that charger up to 3 phase it can output 22kW. I'm sure you'll post your magical charger any time now... yep... any... time... now. They even have a useful statement:
What Role Does Your Power Grid Play?
You’ve got a powerful three-phase wallbox, and your vehicle can charge with three phases. The perfect combo. Wait, one more thing can be a limiting factor - power grid capacity. When you are at home, you only have a limited amount of energy that you can call on once at a time. If the limit is exceeded, the whole house may black out.
Please note the Tesla Charger (NACS) is only suitable for single phase or DC Supercharging because of a lack of pins. Remember, there are hard circuit level limits here even if you try to pull your cute little "going DC is just a couple rectifiers" crap. That's why SAE / IEEE will probably end up adding a couple more pins (much to the chagrin of Tesla) for NACSv2 - Three Phase Pins Boogaloo.
You fail to realize that I know the difference already. And yes, he's competent.
Then he should start by schooling you on efficiency because what you're spouting is hilarious.
Because they want the capability to charge anywhere there's power, without necessarily needing to modify or install additional stuff. You can, worst case, charge a Tesla off a 15A@120V circuit(hopefully just for a top off or to get to a better charger), or get a useful overnight charge off a dryer socket that's 30A@240V.
B-b-but it's just a couple rectifiers so no big deal to that at home or anywhere with a little dc converter box just like a monitor. (eyeroll)
You backed yourself into a corner and are trying to suck and blow at the same time. DC is easy and cheap adding no real complexity and you need to keep all that heavy conversion hardware in the car so you can charge anywhere.
Going from a AC to a DC charger, where you're doing a dedicated install anyways, shouldn't be much of a price difference(once competition and such happens). Especially for a company like the USPS who'd buy enough to justify a production line all of their own.
B-b-but DC is just a couple rectifiers and such. That's like sooper cheapo and totes not complex at all. You, apparently, also have ZERO understanding about permitting and electrical codes.
22kW can be done with a single phase, it's just that not many places are doing them yet, as the car itself isn't capable, and a lot of homes can't support the power and still keep everything else running. Also, it's mostly unnecessary. They can get a full charge overnight as is anyways.
So what you're saying is that you're full of it and that there aren't aren't 22kW single phase chargers for sale to install. I mean, surely you can post a link. Here's a company that's showing charge rates per
A small primer on 3 phase power your electrician brother should have started with in explaining to you the efficiency differences.
https://www.vertiv.com/en-emea...
https://www.fluke.com/en-us/le...
https://www.ny-engineers.com/b...
Yeah, that's why.
Somebody ought to cross ball point pens with coat hangers so that the pens will multiply instead of disappear.