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ESR Responds to Sun's Claims of Being a Better Bazaar 310

Posted by CowboyNeal
from the cathedral-calls-basilica-cold dept.
UnixSphere writes "Sun has been quoted to have said, 'Sun's Java is developed more in the mode of the bazaar than Linux is,' which has prompted OSI President Eric Raymond to correct Sun's view of what open source really is."
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ESR Responds to Sun's Claims of Being a Better Bazaar

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  • by ralphart (70342) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @11:36AM (#10930928)
    I think he may have meant to say "Bizarre." Having dealt with support, I would agree with that statement.
  • by GeorgeMcBay (106610) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @11:40AM (#10930951)
    I'm not sure who to support here....because Sun really sucks these days (and this is coming from someone who was a huge fan back in the olden days of SunOS), but ESR is a huge twat as well...

    Ah well, screw both of them.
  • by k98sven (324383) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @12:06PM (#10931102) Journal
    Yes, it's semantical in the sense that 'open source' means something specific, and that Sun is trying to use that term to describe something as 'open source' which is not 'open source' by anyone else's definition but Sun's.

    I don't like semantical debates at all. (see my latest journal entry?)

    Hacker vs. cracker is silly. Because that's a case of someone trying to replace common usage of a word with a less-common (but still valid) usage.

    This is not silly. This is Sun trying to subvert the term 'open source' for their own PR purposes.

    What most people are referring to when the mean 'open source' is fundamentally different from what Sun is calling 'open source'.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 27, 2004 @12:20PM (#10931179)
    The point here is that Sun is a 3rd world bazaar. The majority of its workforce is former or current H-1Bs from India, Taiwan province, and the rest of China [tibet.org].

    When Sun management was talking about bazaar, the management was being truthful. OSI and Sun are simply talking about two different kinds of bazaars. Sun is referring to its disinclination to hire American employees. OSI is referring to the technical setup of it software.

  • Re:Java (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 27, 2004 @12:49PM (#10931350)
    > If I was an American (god forbid)

    God is an American, you insensitive clod!

  • by not_hylas( ) (703994) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @02:39PM (#10932001) Homepage Journal
    Politics of OSS :-)

    FEUDALISM
    You have two cows. Your lord  takes  some of the milk.
    PURE SOCIALISM
    You have two cows. The government  takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone  else’s cows. You have to take care of all the  cows. The government gives you a glass of milk.
    BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM  
    Your cows are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government  took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and eggs the regulations say you should  need.
    FASCISM
    You have two cows. The government  takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells  you the milk.
    PURE COMMUNISM
    You share two cows with your neighbors. You and your neighbors bicker about who has the most “ability” and who has the most “need”.  Meanwhile, no one works, no one gets any milk, and the cows drop dead of starvation.
    RUSSIAN COMMUNISM
    You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk. You steal back as much milk as you can and sell it on the black market.
    PERESTROIKA
    You have two cows. You  have to take care of them, but the Mafia takes all the milk. You steal back as much milk as you can and sell  it on the “free” market.
    CAMBODIAN COMMUNISM
    You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.
    DICTATORSHIP 
    You have two cows. The  government takes both and drafts you.
    PURE DEMOCRACY
    You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.
    REPRESENTATIVE  DEMOCRACY
    You have two cows.Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.     
    BUREAUCRACY
    You  have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then  it pays you not  to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms
    accounting for the missing cows.
    CAPITALISM
    You don’t have any cows. The bank will not lend you money to buy cows, because you don’t have any cows to put up as collateral.
    PURE ANARCHY
    You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you.
    ANARCHO-CAPITALISM 
    You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
    SURREALISM 
    You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.     
    OLYMPICS-ISM
    You have two cows, one American, one Chinese. With the help of trilling violins  and state of the art montage photography,  John Tesh narrates the moving tale of how the American cow overcame  the agony of growing up in a suburb with (gasp) divorced parents, then  mentions in passing  that the Chinese cow was beaten every day by a tyrannical farmer and watched its parents butchered before its eyes. The American cow  wins the competition, severely spraining an udder in a gritty performance, and gets a multi-million dollar contract to endorse Wheaties. The chinese cow is led out of the arena and shot by Chinese government officials, though no one ever hears about  it. McDonald’s buys the meat and serves it hot and fast at its Beijing restaurant.

    Sun is relying on the SURREALISM model.
  • by k98sven (324383) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @02:45PM (#10932033) Journal
    No, I was discussion if the debate was a semantic one or not.

    Not the semantics of the word semantical.

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