And for those who want a full-featured OS, there's still the Mac.
Hopefully that stays true! I've said this a few times today, but part of me is very afraid that this is part of a bigger, overall move by Apple to transition to more of the iPhone OS on more devices than OS X. I was really expecting this device to run actual OS X, perhaps with some limitations, but I was clearly wrong. But it makes some sense that that's where they're headed... and now I wouldn't be at all surprised if the next round of Mac Books run this dumbed-down iPhone OS instead of true OS X... and who knows from there?
If this happens, I'll be extremely sad. OS X is a breath of fresh air in the operating system world. I've run more OSes than any normal person, and more still than many hobbyists, and yet OS X is very much my favorite. I'd hate to see it cast aside by Apple because they don't want to make real computers any more.
Perhaps. Apple is extraordinarily smart and they may prove us all wrong in the end. I'm currently of the mind that this device doesn't fill any niche I need filled. I have a smartphone with me at all times in case I need to quickly/randomly access a website. I have a fairly small, portable, notebook most of the time, and when I'm at work I have several workstations available to me. Soon, I'll have a Nook to read books on. Between all these, all situations I might use an iPad are soundly covered.
There is simply no time where I need internet access, my phone won't cut it, and I don't have access to an actual computer. And that further generalizes to all of the features that the iPad has. I simply do not need one.
But....that's just me. And that's just right now, today, January 28th 2010. If Apple succeeds, this could become very popular and many people could some day end up with an iPad instead of owning a more traditional computer - netbook, laptop, or even desktop. To the very casual user, this may be all they need. We've all been saying for years that Linux is good enough for the average user because it has a web browser and email, and that most people don't really need Windows... well, here, Apple is saying the same thing. And with their marketing and "cool factor", they might actually succeed with our rthetoric. Pretty soon, people might not be complaining that the iPad doesn't fill any niche... they'll be asking why anyone would buy a laptop or desktop or e-reader when a phone and a tablet cover are all anyone needs.
(This doesn't bother me too much. But what does is the idea that Apple may be eventually abandoning "real" OS X and focusing on locked-down devices like this... but that I shall complain about in more relevant threads.)
Nah, "synergy" was a mid-90s buzz-word. Nobody buys synergy anymore.
We in the hipster computing community have moved onto newer buzz-words. What we want is a "cloud computing" turd*! And we'll settle for nothing less than that! Everything else you said was pretty much dead-on, though. I can't believe how many people are obsessing over this iPad even though it was a total let down, by nearly all expectations.
* Today, that is.. Tomorrow we'll pick up on some other meaningless marketing term and demand it whether it makes sense or not.
"And one more thing! With the iFece, your shit literally will not stink! It's the Apple-lovers dream!"
I readily see the logic in what you're saying, but I'm terrified it might be true. I currently rather like Apple, primarily because I think OS X is a great OS. It's everything about Unix I like (and to be truly productive, need!) but still totally usable, attractive, and stable. On top of this, I think the way Applications work in OS X is utterly perfect. I can't believe no other OS does it this way.
But I've resisted getting an iPhone because I don't like the App Store distribution model. I happen to be a fan of Android phones, and I use Google Voice daily. Apple rejected the Google Voice app for iPhones and I couldn't fathom using a phone without it now. I'm sure there are other examples I could find of things that the iPhone won't do but more "open" phones will. Not that it can't do, but won't.
And that bothers me, inherently.
I have no intention of buying an iPad as is, but I sincerely hope this isn't a sign of where Apple's other computer offerings are headed. I love my Mac Book. But the things I love about it are things that wouldn't be remotely true if it were running the iPhone OS. (does it have an official name? "OS X but not quite" isn't very friendly)
So..uhhh...I guess now is a good time to ask...how are everyone's experiences with Darwin? Should I look into migrating there? If OS X dies out, I'll be quite sad indeed. Is the FOSS world prepared to step up to keep it going? I know it's only the Unix basis of OS X, but has anyone implemented any of the OS X GUI, or is it just a standard X Server? (sorry for somewhat offtopicness of this... and sorry that this is probably all information I could google easily, but I'm more interested in what everyone else has to say about it)
As already stated, Chrome does this. But it runs everything it can in different processes, so this isn't too surprising, Even if it didn't sandbox, a crash in Flash would only take down the one tab that had Flash. I imagine with a sandboxed system the same thing would happen.
Supposedly, IE8 also sandboxes plugins (I know there have been stories about it on slashdot even!), but I'll be damned if I can find a reference for this right now.
If IE8's sandbox model is actually decent (unlikely), that leaves only Firefox being left out of the sandbox playground.
Even on Windows (yeah, I know... I'm forced to use it at work, same story as everyone else), it's the only real program that ever seems to cause crashes. In my case, I listen to last.fm all day long, and occasionally when opening multiple tabs where one tab is loading and I'm trying to open others, it totally crashes Firefox. Without Flash, this never happens.
This shouldn't be hard to avoid, given what Flash does. I can only assume that it's a poorly written program.
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