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Journal mcgrew's Journal: Trolling? Some mods are idiots. 10

There are some folks here who think "troll" is synonomous with "IDWTP". Slashdot has its own definition ot "troll": "A Troll is similar to Flamebait, but slightly more refined. This is a prank comment intended to provoke indignant (or just confused) responses. A Troll might mix up vital facts or otherwise distort reality, to make other readers react with helpful 'corrections.' Trolling is the online equivalent of intentionally dialing wrong numbers just to waste other people's time."

Wikipedia defines "troll" as "someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]"

Yesterday had a story about a bunch of idiots who run a Montana town demanding password from city workers. I opined that "I'd be willing to bet they have no union -- unions won't stand for that kind of crap."

Slashdot's favorite poster, AC, replied "Yeah, because unions are bright."

I answered

No, because unions are a collection of workers who can collectively bargain with an employer. If you're hungry (and we are in a recession right now) and desperate, you'll put up with a lot of meaningless crap. With a union you don't have to.

Unless, of course, you're in the Teamsters (I was in that union once, BAD union, BAD BAD BAD)

The final score was -1, Troll.

I'm a dues-paying, voting, union member right now. In twenty years here, I've only had one grievance against management, and it was resolved in my favor. Without the union it certainly would not have been.

I might not have the pay and certainly would not have the benefits I enjoy. A few years ago, my employer was going through hard times and wanted to give raises to upper management while cutting pay and benefits for ordinary workers. They couldn't, thanks to the union contract. Non-union employees, including management, lost out.

Now, when I worked at Disney from 1980 through 1985, I was in the Teamsters. They are a fucking joke, in bed with management. They never once got a fair contract, never afaik helped anyone out of a jam when some asshole boss was picking on them, and in fact management was often better to the workers than their own union was. I would never EVER voluntarily join the teamsters!

I imagine there are several kinds of folks who hate unions:

  1. Business owners who think they're doing their workers a favor by hiring them, think that they're better than their workers, think THEY create the wealth that their workers are creating for them. Before United Airlines was unuionized, its president ironically said "any company thet gets a union deserves one." The point being, if you treat your employees with fairness and dignity, they're not going to organize. They won't need to.
  2. People who work for a socially aware employer who appreciates the fact that were it not for his workers, he would have no business nor profits. These folks are sure to wonder why anyone would ever join a union.
  3. Those who have been in the Teamsters, or other bad union. Unions are like any other kind of organization, in that once it gets too big, it gets sloppy and bureaucratic and its leaders get divorced from the very folks they were elected to represent.
  4. Those who listen to Rush Limbaugh
  5. Ferengis

The opinion was sincere, and on topic. But in this case I don't mind the downmod - my karma can easily stand the occasional downmodding, and the only time a downmod annoys me is when there's something I think needs to be said that isn't seen becuase the comment was modded to oblivion. In this case, the comment generated a lot of responses, showing me that it was, in fact, seen.

If I were a troll I'd be tickled pink at all the biters. But since I'm not, I'm pleased that I generated discussion, even if IMO most of the responders are misinformed.

Here in Springfield, we do our trolling offline. See Fun with offline trolls and Trolling at the Springfield St. Patrick's Day Parade. Speaking of which, has anybody found that picture of Charlie flashing?

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Trolling? Some mods are idiots.

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  • My conclusion on why a lot of working class americans support rich-man positions like "socialized healthcare is bad", "unions are evil", "it is ok for capital gains to be taxed less than salaries" is because they hope to become rich men themselves and profit from those policies one day.

    The american dream and all that...

    • by mcgrew ( 92797 )

      Sadly, it's almost always a pipe dream. Tru rags to riches stories are rare indeed.

  • Since I had mod points through today (a whole five of them) I gave you and several others over there a bump. I even bumped up an AC post; which isn't something I do often. Of course now I can't post to that discussion or all my moderations will go away.
  • Enjoy your karma.
    • by mcgrew ( 92797 )

      Thanks, but you guys don't need to mod me up because I'm me; my karma has been excellent since a week after I got this old UID back. For every "troll" or "flamebait" I get modded +5 ten or more times.

      Mod me up if you think the comment is worth seeing. Even if you disagree.

      • Mod me up if you think the comment is worth seeing.

        I did believe it was worth seeing. And I happened to have mod points that would have otherwise expired since I wasn't reading the article discussions much (which is the only place I believe one ought to use mod points anyways). As a bonus I picked up the "spent all my mod points" achievement, hooray!

        Now we'll watch those moderations not get meta-moderated, since nobody meta-moderates anything anyways.

      • What d_r just said.

        And, I modded the troll, "troll".

        Like I say, it is so much fun.  Whether or not you need the karma (I know you don't), whether or not I obey pudge's rules (when I feel like it, if he is not begging for a clue-by-four), and whether or not slashdork survives, this clusterfsck is just so much fun.  I haven't had this much fun since I was in an AOL chat room.
  • I've been modded Flaimbait and Troll and Redundant for things that were blatantly just points of contention on the side of the MOD. Don't let it bother you too much, you've got a LOT of kids on here nowadays with 7 digit UIDS who just wanna "Mod TROLL" or Mod Flame for the lulz.

    However I do comiserate, I was recently modded flaimbait for a comment I meant sincerely and it really sucked.

    • by fm6 ( 162816 )

      I've been modded Flaimbait and Troll and Redundant for things that were blatantly just points of contention on the side of the MOD.

      Judging from some of your recent posts, I'd say it has more to do with simple incoherence on your part. "Everyone is a pretty rainbow side!" is a typical comment.

    • "46 & 2 just ahead of me"

      Matt M., is that you?

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