There are some folks here who think "troll" is synonomous with "IDWTP". Slashdot has its own definition ot "troll": "A Troll is similar to Flamebait, but slightly more refined. This is a prank comment intended to provoke indignant (or just confused) responses. A Troll might mix up vital facts or otherwise distort reality, to make other readers react with helpful 'corrections.' Trolling is the online equivalent of intentionally dialing wrong numbers just to waste other people's time."
Wikipedia defines "troll" as "someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."
Yesterday had a story about a bunch of idiots who run a Montana town demanding password from city workers. I opined that "I'd be willing to bet they have no union -- unions won't stand for that kind of crap."
Slashdot's favorite poster, AC, replied "Yeah, because unions are bright."
No, because unions are a collection of workers who can collectively bargain with an employer. If you're hungry (and we are in a recession right now) and desperate, you'll put up with a lot of meaningless crap. With a union you don't have to.
Unless, of course, you're in the Teamsters (I was in that union once, BAD union, BAD BAD BAD)
The final score was -1, Troll.
I'm a dues-paying, voting, union member right now. In twenty years here, I've only had one grievance against management, and it was resolved in my favor. Without the union it certainly would not have been.
I might not have the pay and certainly would not have the benefits I enjoy. A few years ago, my employer was going through hard times and wanted to give raises to upper management while cutting pay and benefits for ordinary workers. They couldn't, thanks to the union contract. Non-union employees, including management, lost out.
Now, when I worked at Disney from 1980 through 1985, I was in the Teamsters. They are a fucking joke, in bed with management. They never once got a fair contract, never afaik helped anyone out of a jam when some asshole boss was picking on them, and in fact management was often better to the workers than their own union was. I would never EVER voluntarily join the teamsters!
I imagine there are several kinds of folks who hate unions:
- Business owners who think they're doing their workers a favor by hiring them, think that they're better than their workers, think THEY create the wealth that their workers are creating for them. Before United Airlines was unuionized, its president ironically said "any company thet gets a union deserves one." The point being, if you treat your employees with fairness and dignity, they're not going to organize. They won't need to.
- People who work for a socially aware employer who appreciates the fact that were it not for his workers, he would have no business nor profits. These folks are sure to wonder why anyone would ever join a union.
- Those who have been in the Teamsters, or other bad union. Unions are like any other kind of organization, in that once it gets too big, it gets sloppy and bureaucratic and its leaders get divorced from the very folks they were elected to represent.
- Those who listen to Rush Limbaugh
The opinion was sincere, and on topic. But in this case I don't mind the downmod - my karma can easily stand the occasional downmodding, and the only time a downmod annoys me is when there's something I think needs to be said that isn't seen becuase the comment was modded to oblivion. In this case, the comment generated a lot of responses, showing me that it was, in fact, seen.
If I were a troll I'd be tickled pink at all the biters. But since I'm not, I'm pleased that I generated discussion, even if IMO most of the responders are misinformed.
Here in Springfield, we do our trolling offline. See Fun with offline trolls and Trolling at the Springfield St. Patrick's Day Parade. Speaking of which, has anybody found that picture of Charlie flashing?