Sorry. Brain wedgie on my part. You're correct!
Sorry. Brain wedgie on my part. You're correct!
No worries from our end. And that's why I wrote what I did in the way that I did: I've given this talk several times to people, and they typically fall into one of two categories:
1: They're so invested in civilian disarmament that they just stick their fingers in their ears until they can't hear me any more.
2: As in your case, they're not USian, so they don't have the cultural background for the debate.
Having said all that though, speaking as a combat veteran myself: Call of Duty is not an accurate model of reality. If you're interested, here's a paper where the US Army itself discusses the lethality of the 5.56 NATO round: http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/Mi... Depending on the ammunition issued, the 5.56 NATO round either is too fast to do more than make a tiny hole going in and a tiny hole going out (if you're close to the bad guy), or it won't reach the bad guy at all.
I wish I could find it (my Google skills are weak today, I guess) but I remember seeing a helmet video of a US soldier engaging an enemy in an alley somewhere in Afghanistan, I think it was. The soldier hits his enemy something like 4 times with his M-4, and is then killed by the enemy with one shot from his AK.
Note that there were some folks up-thread that brought up alternate calibers (things like
I'm going to hope that this is just an unintentional lack of knowledge on your end. If you're actually open to reading facts, please keep reading. Otherwise, feel free to ignore this.
First, in response to the comment about people that keep "shooting up schools and other public places with automatic weapons." This is incorrect. The phrase "automatic weapon" refers to a weapon that can discharge more than one projectile due to a single action (pulling a trigger or actuating some other mechanism). As far as crimes with automatic weapons go, they are so low as to be lost in the underflow of the number of other assaults. In 1934, the National Firearms Act regulated automatic weapons, suppressors, short barreled rifles and shotguns, and "other weapons". Since that date, you have to pay a $200 tax just to be allowed to purchase the weapon. You also have to undergo a background check even more thorough than most class 3 Federal Firearms Dealers. The automatic weapon must be registered and kept at a known location at all times, and the Feds can knock on your door at any time of the day or night and demand that you produce that weapon immediately for their inspection. If you can't, it's a federal felony.
Since 1934, there have been 2 murders committed with registered automatic weapons. As far as unregistered automatic weapons go, numbers vary, but are again so low as to be statistically insignificant. According to GunCite ( http://www.guncite.com/gun_con... ), 4 police officers were killed between 1983 and 1992. And even when targeting groups that are thought to have large numbers of automatic weapons, virtually none of the firearms recovered in raids on drug houses, gangs, and so on were automatic. For all intents and purposes, automatic weapons are not used in crime.
And, since 1986 when the NFA was amended, only automatic weapons made before that date are now available for purchase by the public. This amendment ended out pricing most automatic weapons out of the reach of the standard consumer, and for those that do buy them, they're usually purchased as investments not, not with the intent to shoot them.
As far as the second half of your comment goes, I'm going to assume you're talking about so called "assault weapons", or what are more accurately termed modern sporting rifles (MSRs). And when people think of an MSR, they think generally of an AR-15 variant (go Google what the AR in AR-15 stands for. Hint: it does NOT stand for Automatic Rifle). What is so bad about them?
1: You say "their only real purpose seems to be for killing lots of people efficiently." First, the caliber of most AR-15 variants (5.56x45 NATO, or
2: Because the AR-15 platform is so modular, my wife and I can shoot the same rifle. My arms are a little shorter than hers. I can adjust the stock. Because it has a pistol grip, I can hold it more comfortably. If you take a look at the definition of an assault rifle from the 1994 US ban, it involved a rifle that could accept a detachable magazine and had 2 or more of any of the following attributes:
- Folding or telescoping stock
- A pistol grip
- A bayonet mount
- A flash suppressor
- A grenade launcher
We've addressed why the telescoping or folding stock is a good idea. The same with the pistol grip (trying to wrap your hand around the stock and still reach the trigger is much less comfortable and natural than using a pistol grip). Including bayonet mounts was silly. Bayonets aren't "shot" out of the end of a rifle, and never have been. The only way a bayonet could even do any damage is if the attacker had taken the time to actually buy and mount the bayonet on the lug, and then get within arm's reach of his victims. Flash suppressors really are misnamed. They can help hide the muzzle flash of the rifle, but their primary purpose on any sort of MSR is to reduce recoil and keep dust from kicking up if you're shooting while laying down on your belly. They do not add or detract from the lethality of the firearm one bit. As far as grenade launchers go, they really don't matter. If you take a look at the National Firearms Act, it's illegal to own any grenades to shoot out of your grenade launcher even if you had one.
So, looking at the criteria for defining an "assault weapon", there's not one item in the list (other than POSSIBLY the detachable magazine) that makes the rifle any more lethal than the lever action rifles common over 100 years ago.
And one last thing: the comment about automatic weapons "not existing when the constitution was written", you're right. They didn't (although there were experiments, and I think the first patents for the first automatic weapons were granted not very long after the Constitution was approved). Think on this, though: the first two battles of the American Revolution were the Battles of Lexington and Concord. Those battles were fought because British General Thomas Gage was concerned that independence-minded colonists were going to use their privately owned artillery (yes, private citizens and militias owned cannons back in those days). And the Founders, with that thought fresh in their minds, explicitly amended out Constitution to prevent any such orders from ever being given again.
If you really think that "assault weapons" should be outlawed because they didn't exist when the 2nd Amendment was ratified, are you willing to get rid of your TV, cell phone, tablet and Internet connection because they didn't exist when 1st Amendment was ratified as well?
Actually, it's kind of the other way around in reverse. MUMPS is the database backend. Cache exists as an object oriented datastore that uses MUMPS. Cache also has a VB-ish scripting language that can be used for those that don't feel like parsing stuff that looks like
N X S X="^DIC(",X=$QS(@X)
Many (but not all) of my personality problems derive from supporting software written in MUMPS for the last 15 or so years.
Oh, man. I almost want one of these. I learned to code on a C-64 back in Jr. High and High School.
You kids get off my lawn.
If only the NSA listened as well as the NSA listens, we wouldn't be in this situation.
Not serious. Parent was an oblique reference to an old 1970's sci-fi series. We were just showing our age.
The problem is that, as soon as you do that, some idiot will start using it to store nuclear waste. And once that waste explodes, you'll have a whole new set of problems.
Not necessarily. A lot of our membership is still in the Reserves or National Guard. If they can get inside the military network, they can have a little bit of fun. When I was in, all of the truly classified stuff was on an internal network that was actually physically separated from the Real World. I can't swear that this is still the case, but I'd be greatly surprised if it wasn't.
At least, not my post. And our post (and district, and department) are trying really really hard to break this old stereotype. Now, I'm not going to tell you that ethanol isn't ingested in a VFW club. But there's no drinking at a meeting, and many of the posts in our district are finding that those that live by the drinking club, die by the drinking club. Our post doesn't have a club, and we're in a much better financial position to help needy veterans and their families because of it.
And leadership? Fully half the leadership of my post and district are Gulf War (or later) veterans.
We exist to help each other and help other veterans. Period.
The problem is that those stereotypes still persist, because people enjoy perpetuating them. And because, in a lot of instances, the VFW (and the American Legion) don't really go out of their way to announce what they're doing. They just do what needs to be done and walk away.
We just don't drop the money on the advertising campaigns that Wounded Warrior Project does. If you take a look, though, at how much the CEO of WWP makes and compare that to the salary of the VFW National Commander (and American Legion National Commander), you'll see why most veterans' organizations are pretty irritated with WWP.
I'm going to make the assumption from your username that you're a subject of Her Majesty's government. FYI: here in the States, when using lethal force (be it firearm, slingshot, katana, whatever), current legal doctrine is such that, if you shoot a warning shot or shoot specifically to only wound, you are almost guaranteed to be arrested, prosecuted, and convicted for attempted murder/reckless endangerment/reckless discharge of a firearm/whatever. In the concealed carry class I took, we were told that the ONLY legally allowed reason to use deadly force is to stop a forcible felony from being perpetrated against yourself or a 3rd party. So, it logically follows that you cannot guarantee stoppage of the threat if you're shooting warning shots or shooting to wound rather than to stop the perpetrator.
All of which means that if you had time to shoot to wound or give some sort of warning shot, the threat was not violent enough to justify shooting at all.
I went to a local airshow a couple of weeks ago, and saw a brand new Cessna 180. They're moving to Jet A now as a fuel.
I expect that they're really going to start trying to push engine manufacturers to develop drop-in replacements for older engines, and then just force replacement of the engine during annual.
And Debian is French for "I can't configure Slackware."
I can remember my parents laughing when that happened, and I can remember the news (for some reason, ABC News REALLY sticks in my mind) was REALLY offended and angry.
Which may have been part of the reason my folks were laughing so hard.
Actually, I was agreeing with you. It's unfortunate that the illiterate folks doing the interpreting right now are doing it in a silly, stupid way. And it's actually Congress that's the bigger problem. They're the ones that are writing these laws. I'm surprised more of them aren't challenged than they are.
But then, when they ARE challenged, the appellate courts turn a blind eye to it, so in that case your comment about the courts is on point.
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