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Comment Re:"Critics say!" (Score 1) 302

Bank meltdowns don't contaminate land for thousands of years

But the public gets to bend over and take it whether it is a bank or a nuclear plant that melted down.

nuclear reactors aren't speculative bubbles

Neither are banks. . . (speaking of shitty analogies. . .) Both represent high concentrations of power/capital that can be recklessly managed for large gains to those in power at the risk of large losses to the overall public. Whether it is banks assuming housing prices will alway go up or a nuclear plant expansion project that assumes electricity prices will not fall over 60 years, both show the damage that power concentration causes to the public.

Now, if you could devote more of your post to logical reasoning than vitriol, this might actually start to reasonable a rational debate. . .

Comment *Whoosh* (Score 4, Insightful) 471

FRIEDMAN: Are you worried, though, that those companies will keep their factories here, but the jobs will be replaced by robots?
TRUMP: They will, and we'll make the robots, too. [laughter]


I feel like for the next 4 years America will be used as kind of a learning tool for Trump (a, "Trump University", if you will) to learn very basic economic and government principles. . . poorly. And all it will cost is the well being of an entire nation. . .

Comment Re:Feel so conflicted. . . (Score 1) 559

If, during Trump's presidency, the labor force participation rate rises to 68% or more, will you admit in your book that you are the douche? ;-)

Here are the possible explanations for a labor force participation rate increase under Trump:
- broken window economics (increase in low level/value jobs at a price of significant overall wealth destruction and great risk of fiscal and monetary crisis)
- dumb luck (this is not North Korea. . . but do you really believe the 'Dear Leader' has more influence on economic growth or labor participation than, say, technological advancement!?)

Understanding the above does not make one a douche. . . just capable of rational thought in the face of primitive tribalism. . .

Comment Feel so conflicted. . . (Score 3, Insightful) 559

On the one hand, it looks like Trump lied to a bunch of scared and vulnerable people to get elected (under the disguise of "not being another politician" and "not just being all talk"). . . On the other hand, a lot of his promises ranged from authoritarian to completely incoherent (Bring back jobs by attacking free trade when automation is the real job killer at this point? Bring back coal by attacking green technologies when natural gas is the true coal killer?).

Either way, the guy is a real douche in my book. . .

Comment Re:Before you act like this is so nefarious... (Score 1) 469

Been fun, but I just found out today that my friend's Japanese wife was told to "go back to your country" at the store the other day. I have lived in this city nearly 30 years and never heard of that EVER being said. No one ever said that to me in the over 10 years that I lived in Japan.

In short, shit just got real, and I have no time to dick around with some online discussion that is going nowhere. I have work to do in my home town.

Have a nice life and good luck. . .

Comment Re:Before you act like this is so nefarious... (Score 1) 469

No, but accusing him of "conspir[ing] with foreign governments to defraud the American public" is, given what we actually know.

Bigot: one who is intolerant or hostile towards different social groups. Trump != social group. The end.

she doesn't have any kind of coherent agenda or vision

Yeah, incoherent. . . compared to Trump's coherent policies

Unless you have actually gone through and changed your citizenship, you haven't lived "as an immigrant"

Not citizenship, but permanent residence. I had Japanese permanent residence.

Well, I suppose if Japanese is your native language, it is no wonder that you have such queer notions about identity and racism; Japan is one of the most xenophobic and racist countries I have ever spent time in.

English is my native language. Funny. . . saying an entire nation is racist is, in itself, a very racist thing to say. Maybe if you were not so quick to judge your experience in Japan would have been different.

Which demographic would that be? Democrats just lost the House, the Senate, the presidency, and with that, the supreme court, so don't hold your breath.

Straight white male. You think ideology matters in Trump's America? This is about the "master" tribe, which people like you are not allowed to become "citizens" of. . . I despise this mentality, but I think I have seen it more than someone with your characteristics might have been exposed to. I feel like only that can explain how you seem to see Trump in such a naive light.

You accuse people of racism, xenophobia, and fraud for the flimsiest of reasons and express your disapproval and condemnation

No, I accuse Trump for what he himself has SAID. . . I am intolerant of unilateral intolerance.

Well, I'm accusing you of being a progressive and a Democrat; you certainly sound like one. And while you obviously don't understand why that offends people, I think it's important to make it crystal clear to you that it does. Perhaps that will induce people like you to reflect a bit on what you're saying and advocating, because obviously reason isn't getting through to you.

I am neither, but I don't want to get too ambitious here. . . if I can get you to make a single post where you properly use the term "bigot", I will consider this entire thread a yuuuge success.

Reading through your posts, I really feel like you are having this conversation with someone else. . . maybe someone in your past. . . maybe your parents. . . Anyway, I am not that person, but I hope you were able to find some kind of resolve. Seems like you really needed it. . .

Comment Re:Before you act like this is so nefarious... (Score 1) 469

I pointed out that Trump treated Obama like Hillary treated Obama.

1) I agree that you pointed that out, but comparing the birther movement to Hillary's 2012 primary campaign is just a strange argument that I cannot agree with. Birtherism is racism
2) Hillary is out of the picture now and using the "Hillary is worse" argument is meaningless. I am treating just Trump as he as treated others. . .

you are utterly intolerant of anybody who doesn't toe the progressive party line.

Where have I posted this? You seem to be lumping me into some kind of group because I am treating Trump the way he has treated others. Me being intolerant of Trump is not being a bigot, and your misuse of that word dilutes its meaning for all the REAL bigots out there.

See "bigot" above. You have no idea how much time I have invested in finding out about this or past elections.

Again, you are misusing the word "bigot". Saying you seem lacking knowledge of Trump does not make me a "bigot" in any sense of the word. I am not saying you did not spend a lot of time on this, just that saying you are against Hillary because of her stance on gays indicates your time spent was not very productive. You don't have to feel bad, though. This is the place to make mistakes. I have no idea who you are and when you talk to people in public who do know who you are you will not embarrass yourself now. . .

Clinton's support is rooted in her advocacy of economic redistribution in areas like healthcare, education, welfare, etc.; that is, people support her because they expect monetary benefits and expect others to be taxed to pay for them

All politicians redistribute wealth (yes, even Trump) and if you are against redistribution of wealth then you should go to North Korea. The biggest "redistributer" of wealth is capitalism, which requires a specialized government to support it.

You may not have voted for Trump but you certainly act like him.

See "bigot" above.

Again, I think it is time to expand your vocabulary. "Bigot" does not mean "someone who says things that I do not like." You are the one who started name calling and personal attacks because you could not logically defend your beliefs and the resemblance to how Trump acts is striking. No amount of name calling will change that. But this is a safe place to do that. It is also a safe place to admit that you jumped to conclusions and started name calling, and you are not really that type of person.

She will throw gays and lesbians under the bus if it advances her political interests, like she has always done.

Trump is going to appoint justices that will overturn gay marriage. Maybe that was not enough to vote against him for you, but saying you did not vote for Hillary because you support gay marriage is just completely wrong and not something you want to say to people who actually know you. You need to know at least that much about this topic. . .

Trump is president because of people like you, people who made the Democratic party such a bigoted and corrupt place that even gay immigrants like me left in disgust. Democrats won't come back until they kick people like you out.

Again, with the personal attacks. . . of someone you know so little about. How am I bigoted and corrupt? Where did my posts reveal that? Perhaps English is your second language? In which case. . . you are pretty awesome at English. However, "bigot" does not mean what your post implies you think it does. If you knew Japanese, I might be able to continue this discussion in a different language. . . but that seems statistically improbable. . .

Anyway, if I heard that a gay immigrant man was debating about Trump with a straight white man, I would expect it to go the other way around. That is how crazily diverse America is. I want to continue to live in a country where we celebrate our diversity and open ourselves to the rest world. Trump sold himself as the anti-thesis to that. He also set a standard for how we should judge our current president, and I absolutely intend to hold him to the exact same standard.

At this point, I am not sure you can understand it, but my attacks on Trump are in defense of people like yourself. It is ironic that you find that cause to attack me, but it is not going to change my stance. You see, I have also lived as an immigrant, and I know delusional xenophobia when I see it. Except, this time, I am part of the "demographic in power," and I fully intend to use that position of privilege to fight this dark shadow that has taken hold of my homeland. I wish you the best, but to be honest, I would not want to be a gay immigrant man in Trump's America. . .

Comment Re:Before you act like this is so nefarious... (Score 1) 469

I didn't say she "started" it. I said "[Trump] treated Obama pretty much like Hillary Clinton treated Obama".

So I guess your "pretty much" is the difference between Hillary appointing supreme court justices that will protect gay marriage and Trump appointing justices that will overturn gay marriage. I guess I am "pretty much" a billionaire. . .

Which part of "I didn't find either Trump or Hillary to be an acceptable choice in this election." did you not understand?

I guess I don't understand the part where you are willing to defend someone you are not willing to vote for. . .

I haven't "defended" Trump, I called him an "inexperienced, rude loudmouth".

Here I am, enjoying the sweet, sweet irony of applying Trump's "guilty until proven innocent" standard for the president which he established while Obama was president, and you start defending Trump under the "old rules" that don't apply anymore ("where is your proof of Trump's fraud"). It is Trump's obligation to prove he is not a fraud, just like it was Obama's obligation to prove, multiple times, that he was born in America.

Trump can't disappoint me because I don't expect anything of him.

Yes, "not expecting anything of him" is expecting WAY too much. I would like to hear what you have to say after gay marriage gets repealed. . .

But I will never be "united" with bigoted, ignorant, selfish pricks like you.

Yes, applying the same standard Trump established to his own standard makes me:
bigoted: Exactly WHICH group of people am I bigot of again (don't think that word means what you think it does)?
ignorant: You calling me ignorant implies you know more about this topic than me. Your posts make it clear that you just checked out this election and have no context to understand what is happening or how you have betrayed your own ideologies.
selfish pricks: Again, please elaborate. Some one points out the flaws of your arguments and you resort to name calling. You may not have voted for Trump but you certainly act like him.

Comment Re:Before you act like this is so nefarious... (Score 1) 469

No, this is revisionist history (that only works for 18% of the American population). . . Hillary did not start the birther movement. The only way historians will be able to justify the birther movement is that people make bizarre, irrational arguments when they don't want a black president. . .

Yeah, people voted for Trump because he "wasn't a politician" and he would "shake up the establishment." Well guess what. . . he is a POLITICIAN now. And, you know who is going to work in his administration. . . the ESTABLISHMENT. The only real difference is that America gave the nuclear codes to a twitter troll.

I could never have voted for Hillary, if not for any other reason than because of her long standing opposition to gay marriage and her subsequent lies about it

Rich. . . so you voted for the ticket with MIKE PENCE!? and Donald Trump, who has been a consistent opponent of marriage equality. Face it, you were also duped. This IS Brexit all over. . . where AFTER the election voters are like, "what is the EU?".

It will be interesting to see how long people like you will defend him. Trump will eventually unite America. . . with his universal disappointment. . .

Comment Re:Before you act like this is so nefarious... (Score 1) 469

Huh? How did he treat him?

Are you being serious!? To not know this is to not know the origination story of the 2016 Trump campaign or the driving force behind his wanting to become president. There is even a song about it. Please tell me you are not an American voter and that you did not vote for Trump. . .

Knock yourself out.

Thanks. Trump established this standard for the president and two days ago the Americans (at least 18% of them) validated it.

Comment Re:Before you act like this is so nefarious... (Score 0) 469

Trump set his own standard of presidency by how he treated Obama. Until Trump can prove, without a doubt (in long form), that Russia is not controlling him, I will assume his presidency is fraudulent.

Accordingly, me not having a copy of the bir. . ., I mean, transcripts is not proof against the fraud but is, in itself, proof of the fraud.

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