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Comment Re: prediction... more good comments... not (Score 1) 463

You seriously dont' see the Conservatives/Republicans basing things on emotion either? Trump won because of a lot of undirected and hard to articulate anger. Ie, the whole "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" feeing from Network is all about emotion. Whereas cold hard logic says that coal is a dying industry because the need for coal is declining, and the need for coal workers is declining even faster as coal producers are replacing workers with automation. Now that the workers have been replaced they won't get rehired even if the demand for coal goes back up.

It's emotion that calls Obama the worst president of all time, not logic. Name calling is always rooted in emotion. Seriously, how can every democratic president of the last 50 years all be the "worst", there can only be one "worst". It's emotion that calls for building a wall on the border despite the net zero increase in the number of undocumented workes.

Yes, there is emotion screwing up logic on both the left and the right, and both sides are driven more by hatred of each other than in having well thought out solutions to problems.

Comment Re: prediction... more good comments... not (Score 2) 463

The re-education is a red herring here. You're pushing politics into an issue that is not really political. The basic facts are that some jobs have gone away permanently, and retraining is a good way to get a different job. Anyone who says they already know how to mine coal and refuse to learn a different set of skills for a new job are their own enemies, the people on the coasts are not causing the problems. The reasons the jobs are going away is because the coal companies are automating the jobs, they don't need as many workers per unit of coal. All the political wrangling in the world won't change this, you cannot force companies to hire workers that they don't need.

The "coastal elites" comment again shows that youre trying to make this political, and implies you believe in the silly idea that there's literally a cultural war going on. If you live on the coasts you will see that they are not full of elites, there are a few of course, and there are elites in Kansas and Wisconsin too. California is a state full of liberals and conservatives both, you will find any and all political views represented. When you make this a fight about "us" versus "them", then you are a part of the problem in creating divides. I know this is easy to do, we're sort of hardwired to always have an enemy to direct anger towards.

Comment Re: prediction... more good comments... not (Score 1) 463

I think you're a bit off. There ARE Republican politicians who do believe what they say. They're not thinkin about it analytically because they're never needed to do that to get elected. Elected representatives are a mirror of the voting base. If the voting base has a lot of undirected anger because of job loss, then the candidates will get elected by appealing to that anger and often by also having undirected anger (or at least they've articulated a target to point the anger at). In othe words, we have elected representatives who honestly believe that coal jobs could come back. And those representatives are probably taking money directly from the coal companies that have been automating away the jobs.

Comment Re:Yeah, go ahead, blame TRUMP! (Score 1) 713

The Republicans do a good job of convincing voters that running a company is a bonus for a politician. Never mind that CEOs are responsible for many of the same things the voters are bitching about - outsourcing jobs, hiring undocumented workers, moving plants overseas, automating the jobs with robots, etc. (the automation is the primary reason many lower skilled jobs are going away, that far outstrips any effect from undocumented immigrants, but it's also the reason for a lot of growth at the same time)

There's a complicated dance being done during elections to both keep big business happy while not appearing to be keeping big business happy. It helps that voters are not bothered by cognitize dissonance (candidate taking money from wall street is bad, candidate actually being from wall street is good).

Comment Re:Yeah, go ahead, blame TRUMP! (Score 1) 713

Also, once past a certain size the business owners are very often not running the business. The stockholders and investors own the company and the board of directors has oversight, but the president/CEO actually runs the company and can be fired by the board. In general the president/CEO sucks up to the board, in the US the president often has an antogonistic relationship with congress, and congress is analogous to the board of directors

Comment Re:Yeah... but no. (Score 1) 713

The difference I think is that the general public expects "lawyer" to have passed the bar, and "doctor of medicine" to have obtained a license. It's not as common for the general public to assume that an "engineer" has been licensed by the state. The public is not being fooled and the person claiming to be an engineer is not trying to fool anyone. I agree that the licensing boards are upset that all of this is being watered down over time so that engineer is now a generic term, but that's the way it's been going.

Comment Re:(sigh) You people still think you're engineers (Score 1) 713

I started calling myself an "engineer" to friends and family once I started making more use of the engineering part of the Computer Engineering degree, meaning I wasn't just doing programming but also reading schematics, hooking up test equipment, doing some math, and so forth. After awhile, "engineer" started showing up in my job titles as well.

If someone with a license thinks the term is being watered down, then look to the hordes of electrical engineering graduates who don't have licenses, especially as electrical engineering jobs seem to becoming more and more about programming (VHDL, signal processing, encoding/decoding, image analysis, etc).

Comment Re:(sigh) You people still think you're engineers (Score 1) 713

I have noticed that those jobs requring an engineering license are often more technical and/or rote in nature and are not at the top of their profession. Once someone becomes a lead designer in many companies there's no longer the requirement for the license. Depends on the job of course, a bridge designer certainly needs the license, but th designer of an electronic board usually does not (the certifications however probably need an underling with a license to do the sign offs).

Some of the tests seem archaic in some ways. Why should an electrical engineer be required to pass questions about fluid dynamics? Engineering is about specialists now, whereas maybe 100 years ago engineers were more generalists.

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